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10 Oct 2005 16:22 | DragonFly | Playstation 3 PS3Today.com | Link to this article
At the recent CEATEC event in Japan, Sony Corporations Chairman and CEO, Sir Howard Stringer, talked about Sony’s role in the Consumer Electronics world, and how PSP, PS3 and the CELL will bring us the next generation of digital entertainment.
"The Cell microprocessor which Sony developed with IBM and Toshiba clearly sets the PS3 apart. It is 35 times faster than the processor in the PS2. 10 times the power of a standard PC and twice the processing power of Microsoft's new Xbox360. This technology allows for super computer like performance, moving quality images and the degree of realism that is simply amazing in a home gaming device. It's been said in the press that no other chip in the world can touch it. We are confident that this is true." PS3Portal has put together a summary of some of the main points of Sir Howard Stringer's keynote speech. So make sure read the full story at their site. Add Comment Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 16:31 whatever Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 16:38 PiS3 sux, 360 rox Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 16:40 What the hell is "high drama" Unregistered - Jin Kazama 10.10.2005 16:44 Oh my god, you xbox 360 fans are like little freakin leeches. If you are such a fan of the 360, why the hell are you always on the PS3 site looking for news every other second. YOu guys were the first to reply before any of us hardcore gamers, got a chance to reply. Its pathetic how you are constantly on here. Seems to me, you guys are crapping your pants because deep down inside, you are scared as hell that you are about to make a very bad choice picking the 360 over the PS3. So you wanna convince as many people as you can, so they will all be in the same sinking boat as you. Get a life 360 people. If I were sony, i wouldnt want people like you to support me. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 16:50 how can you call 360 a next Gen console. Just cuz the graphics are suped up, which really are not all that great to begin with. Xbox live, ok, they had that before, maybe a new version now, but not next gen. Hmm...still dvd, not a revolutionary processor, multicore has been done before, same controller, although wireless, so is WAVEBIRD. You guys are Idiots. Ps3 is truly next gen. CELL, Blu-Ray, the Graphics. that just right there speaks for it self, it ACTUALLY has next-gen technology. Xbox360 doesnt. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 16:51 With the exception of #2 how do you know the other two are fanboys. This is just meaningless crap that sony is spouting off about themselves and how they think they are gods. I would like to know what "HIGH DRAMA" is too. Can someone from sony please answer me. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 16:54 Dude, its high drama, they're excited about the the technology. I'm sure Bill gates uses a lot of extra words to describe his new windows comming out. Damn, you can pick apart anything if you wanna break it down to that level. Its not that serious Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 16:56 He probably meant, with High Definition, you get High Drama. There was a lot of Drama with Gladiotor on DVD, with High Definition, it could make the experience much better, there for a higher feeling of drama. Chill, its not like he said something SOOOO out of the norm. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 16:58 hey, for once, lets have a good clean discussion here. Xbox360 people, say your oppinion, make it known how you feel, and we can give ours. This is not a matter of life or death. We can all respect each other's opinion. After all, there are much more important things to fight over about, this is just purely a debate about an entertainment Systems. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 17:02 "Playstation is one of the rare devices to have obtained the status of a popular item. And if you wonder why we speak of Playstation Nation, listen to this, the no. of Playstations in the world now equals the combined populations of Japan, South Korea and Australia. That would be about two hundred million machines. And no matter where in the world we are, they are all speaking the same language." Thats from the ps3portal site. I am sure that all of nintendos systems have more than that. Unregistered - akumas rebirth 10.10.2005 17:11 I think ps3 is going to be a good console but I just dont think that it is going to live up to all the hype,I think the x360 is going to do really good this time arround,because they have the best dev on their sides now that should tell some of you hard core sony fanboys something. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 17:14 in responding to #5 statement everything that has been seen from ps3 is cg and xbox has from the beginning shown all gameplay. another thing to say that the 360 isnt as powerful, footage of fight night 3 at e3 was done on the 360 and gears of war was done with just one core so imagine what will be out a year or two. Cell isnt that much more powerful and besides thats not what counts in games its the memory and the gpu Unregistered - akumas rebirth 10.10.2005 17:28 I think it has alot to do with sony talking sh*t about how their console is so nextgen thats why us xbox fan keep coming on here to knock some sence into your heads PAUL CERULA 10.10.2005 17:37 PS3 BLU RAY ISN'T PRACTICAL FOR ANY MEDIA OTHER THAN VIDEO GAMES BECAUSE HD DVD IS THE LARGEST IT WILL EVER BE IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS FOR OTHER MEDIA. LOOK AT THE DVD AND HOW LONG IT TOOK TO TAKE OVER VHS. HD DVD WILL TAKE AROUND 5-10 MORE YEARS TO DOMINATE. BLU RAY WILL TAKE EVEN MORE TIME TO BE WORTH IT. SO IT COMES DOWN TO HAVING 2 DVD'S (HD OR NOT) OR BLU RAY. BLU RAY REALLY ISN'T THAT GREAT WHEN 2 DOUBLE SIDED DVD'S THAT YOU SWITCH IS FAR CHEAPER AND EASIER TO USE THAN BLU RAY. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 17:55 In Ancient Greek language , DRAMA was every theatrical work of great writers like Aristophanes (the Father of Comedy)and Aeschylus (a great writer of Tragedy). I think that actually there is a metaphor here : All the big words of SONY looks like comedy but when alls said and done the future of sony looks like Tragedy! Unregistered - Coward 10.10.2005 17:56 "super computer like performance, moving quality images and the degree of realism that is simply amazing in a home gaming device" now where have i heard that before? skooby 10.10.2005 17:57 Show me the money! They said similar things about the PS2. I will most likely purchase a PS3. But come on... Be realistic... Unregistered - Coward 10.10.2005 18:12 aren't you the mod here? Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 18:16 you 360 people are scared as hell. if you were confident,you wouldn't spend your time here day and night posting nonsense about PS3.look at that miserable idiot #2 for instance.get a life you imbeciles! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 18:25 EAT THIS XBOT MOTHERF**KERS AND GET LOST!!! PS3 WILL RULE BILL'S ASS!!!!!!!!! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 18:29 so i can just say that i f**ked your mom and that means im your dad, is that how it works, hey got another one, i am the king of the world bow down before me, it's all PR and hype c'mon you know sony by now. like my old pops used to say, the proof of the pudding is in the tasting. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 18:32 yea, the guy that posted a comment about FIght Night Round 3 being on the 360....uhh it was on the ps3 at E3, nott he 360. Now, here is the thing, ps3 showed some real time graphics, and they showed some pre-rendered graphics. They said, the games will look like that, you know what, maybe they will, maybe they wont, but will be close enough. Now, 360, showed actual gameplay, but this is where we differ people. The gameply graphics on the 360 do not meet my expectations of a truly next gen console. So, what I am going to to is, wait for PS3 and see if they can actually deliver on their promise of the graphic and gameplay experience, instead of hurryng up and buying an xbox360. If I see that the PS3 couldnt live up to the expectaions, then who knows, maybe I'll get an xbox 360. Its not that big of a deal. You guys are acting like your mom and dad made the 360. Get over it. Unregistered - Jin Kazama 10.10.2005 18:46 By the way, I respect all the xbox fans out there on their views, all the ones that are stating them in a diplomatic fashion. We all can have different views. Lets face it, both systems are probably gonna kick some ass. Some of us think the ps3 will be better, and some think the 360 will be better. No harm in that. Also, none of actually know until both systems are out and compared. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 18:49 I agree people. Let the companies fight it out, we are all gamers people. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 18:54 can a sony fan tell me why the PS3 is their choice over 360, let's assume for arguments sake that, gfx and online play will be great on both machines, what else has it got to offer me? Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:00 ohhhhhh, your sister was here last night,ohhh what a p*ssy she has! you'll have a nephew in 9 months guaranteed!!!!!!!! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:00 SPARTAN OF 777, You have no idea what your talking about, NONE. Blu-ray and Hd-dvd are both High def dvd's, They are both competing to be the next format and Blu-ray is winning the war with leaps and bounds. Blu-ray is superior in every way to hd-dvd. Blu-ray can hold much more data, its using the Durabis coating from TDK which gives much more protection from scratches and dust (hd-dvd isnt) The copyright protection against piracy is better with Blu-ray which is important to studios and to us that actually buy movies and music with out ripping them or purchasing pirated copies. JVC created a hybrid disc that plays both dvd and Blu-ray content on the same side to ease the transition from standard dvd to Blu-ray. Every one of the Computer makers, including Dell and HP (the 2 largest are backing blu-ray, everyone of the Movies studios are backing Blu-ray except Universal, Warner and New Line. Paramount just announced they are now backing Blu-ray and Warner brothers and New Line are expected to release a statment anytime stating they are switching as well then Universal is said to follow. That will give Blu-ray 100% studio support, All the electronic companies are supporting Blu-ray except Toshiba, and NEC. Its being said all over the net that hd-dvd has pretty much lost already and may never even make it out. Even the Music industry is embracing Blu-ray, Universal Music (one of the largest music companies) is backing them and so is Sony music, Epic records, Columbia records, and BMG who just merged with Sony in 2004. So there you go. Blu-ray is in place to be the next standard for Movies, Games, Computers, Music and more. Oh and Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd (owners of the Panasonic brand) have established a new technology which will lower the production costs of next generation Blu-Ray discs to almost the same level as current DVD production costs. Any questions go to Blu-ray.com Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:05 you need a d*ck to impregnate, what did you use the one on your head. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:07 john carmike (the creater of doom) even said it himself that he wishes ps3 used the same cpu architecture as xbox 360 because it's superior. check Game Informer magazine's latest issue. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward-True! 10.10.2005 19:07 Well... look at it this way... Blue-tooth(which is the best...)7 controllers vs. 4 on xbox... Blu-Ray(25 gig, 60gig dual-layer) vs. Dual-Layer Dvd's 8-10 gig (maybe HD-DVD's which is 15gig 30 gig dual-layer)... Nvidia Vs. ATi Nvidia for the past few years Nvidia has been ahead with higher quality... IBM processers (all sides of the console wars) however IBM states that Cell is a higher end processer ...go to there website...they've made for all three of the processers for each of the next gen systems... and well game titles Playstation Versus Xbox, Halo is for Xbox and well.. not much else that can live up the massive amount of Playstations Greatest hits... However... Sony has broken promises... and well... i seriously doubt that Blu-Ray IBM and Nvidia would back up something they can't (go to www.teamxbox.com) "more powerful then GeForce 7800 which.. is an outstanding piece of hardware... THIS WILL ALL BE SOLVED WITH FINAL PRODUCTS... (my vote is with Ps3... high hopes..) Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:09 Oh and your worng about the transition dvd to Blu-ray as well. See from VHS to DVD it was going from tape to something completely different. Dvd plays didnt play VHS and VHS wouldnt Play dvd. This is going from DVD to Blu-ray which is just a High def DVD. Now, since JVC created a hybird, that means that the can make just hybrids to start out which will play in a current dvd player with the red laser but still play in the Blu-ray player using the Blue laser and so people wont have to buy one or the other. And if people dont want to have to buy movies over again in Blu-ray, they wont have to since the Blu-ray players will play current dvds. So as you can see the transition should be very simple to the point that many may not even notice much of a switch. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:10 Well, for me personally, What sony is saying about the console seems to be the deciding factor. Also, The highly touted Cell, the Blu-Ray. Also, I was not impressed by the quality of the games on the 360, i will just wait a few months to see if the Ps3 has something better to offer. From the looks of it does. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:12 Why do you think that our choice must be xbox??!! we've lived and grown with PS1 and PS2.the Playstation brand in the gaming world is like Mercedes in the automobile world! this is not the OS market for god sake which all HAVE TO have windows in order to play games! in here the king is Sony. and i think you know that microsoft and it's chairman aren't so popular in the world! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:12 TDK has actually created a Blu-ray disc that is 100Gb and Sony is lab testing a 200Gb Blu-ray disc. Blu-ray is only the Beginning! old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 19:12 Here's my 2 cents Bizz-atch's (laughing). Sony knows how to hype things up, it's good for their company. Microfuks only wish they could build up hype as good as Sony does. Everyone knows that, so quit making that your #1 point every time you FagBox036 fagboys mention Sony. It's nothing new. What you fail to realize is that when Sony builds up hype, it's because they have to. Every company out there does it. Microfags does the same thing to one extent or another. So what, if they didn't deliver with everything they said about the PS2, 9 1/2 out of 10 (the 1/2 being a midget) still played the hell out of there PS2 with their LARGE selection of games. Nintendo promised online play and never came through. Who gives a sh!t? I own a GC and still love Nintendo for the innovations they have brought to the industry. I respect Sony for giving any developers a chance to make games for their console, something that Nintendo was not too fond of doing in fear that it could hurt their image (I'm sure they won’t be thinking like that this time around). Microfuks has brought absolutely nothing new to the industry (they gave you better service for online gaming. Big F@$king whoop!) Still Nintendo and Sega were the originals. Oh and lets not for get First Person Shooters (Which is all they ever make or at least seem to focus on) Pathetic. All the X-twat fanboys have been bread to hate everything else and for this I'm not sure whether I would want to play online with a bunch of twat face ZOMBIES playing a FPS game like HALO 2. In the end though I'm glad all three systems can coexist. Competition drives the future, and that's exsacly where Sony was thinking when they created the PS3 (the future of gaming). Think of it this way. Sports. How F#*king boring would it be if there was only one sport in this F'ed up world. Instead you have a sh!t load of different types. So in conclusion pick the sports (consoles) you like, pick your favorite teams (games) and enjoy the hell out of them. In my case I'll get all three in this order PS3,Nintendo,or which ever comes first, and I still have not determined on whether or not I want to support the Microfuks and their X-twat036 this coming generation. Unregistered - Haha 10.10.2005 19:15 Cell - x2 Power5 processers, 8 (SPE's) 1 used for reduncany... each SPE of which act as there own processer drawing from its own local memory ---- PPE's Triple- x3 Power5 processers (this has been made before....) IBM made each processer, they have said that CBEA is the "superior"... check it out for yourself.. Unregistered - Sam 10.10.2005 19:16 yeah the only reason Microsoft is where it is today is because so far there can be only one OS due to multiple OS would make it very difficult. Give them some competition to that and see how big they become. They probably wouldnt last seeing as how good windows rarely works well. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:16 the creator of DOA4 ichi"something" said that xbox 360 running on three cores will be difficult to programme and develop for ASK YOURSELVES WHY WERE THE GAMES RUNNING ON 1 CORE also square-enix said that porting FFXI on pc to XBOX 360 was extremly difficult and frustrating because pc games run on intel processors while xbox has a IBM processor SO XBOX FANS DONT THINK XBOX 360 HAS IT ALL EASY Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:16 LOL...........come on man let's finish this and be friends! but tell me why you come here and bash our beloved PS3? you know how great it is,don't you? Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:18 it's not about power it's about the games!!!!!!!....and clearly Microsoft has both. Sony announced 120 games in development while Microsoft announced 200, pick your poison. I know I'll be in line for both because both systems established franchises that I love. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:19 and since when did SONY have a large game catalogue of GOOD titles, i prefer quality not quantity. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:24 Every console that came out first has the market advantage... and has ALWAYS lacked the power concept... i.e. dreamcast... ps1 vs 64... ps2 vs xbox.... this will be another act... power of the console only shifts afew people... Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:25 xbox360 fans and Ps3 fancs can co exsist. I hope the 360 will be great, and i hope it gives PS3 some great competition. That we, we as gamers, 360 and PS3 players will win. We cant be fighting onwhich is better, we are all gamers. Lets all ahve a group hug. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:29 im not bashin the PS3 i just want to know why i should consider buying one, i was once a sony fanboy myself, but after the PS2 lies and poor games GT3/4 and MGS2/3 i dont mention Killzone because it is outright sh1t thats all they have as exclusives dont they, i got pissed off and moved to MS and im glad i did more variety of games Links 2004 best golf game ever, TOPSPIN best tennis game ever, Halo 1/2 best console FPS' ever,PGR2 FORZA best console driving games ever, NINJA GAIDEN not my cup of tea but i still played it for hours also my own tunes in games, and the fact that i had online play and didnt have to fork out for hundreds of memory cards, i really dont see why sony is still up there, apart from the fact that people see the name and think it's cool to own a sony, well it's not, i had many sony items around the house and iv'e replaced them all with better quality items, samsung/panasonic/pioneer are much better appliances than sony all's your paying for with them is the name. old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 19:52 God of War, FFX, DMC Series, ICO, GTA Series, you dip sh!t. Quit acting like you all of the sudden hate Sony by jumping on the X-Twat waggon. You know you like Sony better than Microfuks. I own an X-twat so what. I'll be the first to admit that for a while there where no good games out on the PS2 so I played my X-twat. Got so tired of the same old sh!t online, that now I don't play it any more. I might get the X-Twat036 after the PS3 and Nintendo consoles. Mainly because there are no games that I am particualy interested in. Besides PS2 has some good games coming out in a few weeks. Shadow of the Colosus, FFXII, Rouge Galaxy, GUN, and the all mighty "Okami". Yeah I think these tittles can keep me busy for a long time to come until I wait for the PS3 and Rev. Peace out X-TWATS. Tha Hell with Peace talks, lets start a war again (more intersting, you know we all love it). RAGE ON HATERS!!!!!!!!LOL Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:53 I wonder if this will be another thread to reach 600 and odd posts before a new news article pops up, I hope not. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:55 I wonder if this will be another thread to reach 600 and odd posts before a new news article pops up, I hope not. Unregistered - Coward 10.10.2005 19:56 did you use the "urban" dictionary in your post, or are you just a remedial, either way i'll stick to MS thanks. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:57 my bad. old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 19:57 These X-TWAT fanboys know that the current X-TWAT is the better system which i'm man enough to admit and own. But get real guys....sorry I mean ladies, It's not going to be that same way this time around and it's killing you all inside to know this. That Bill Gays actually let you down. BOOO FUKING HOOO!!!!!!! Quit B!tching you haters. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 19:58 and by the way GTA is better on XBOX. diablo_sv21 10.10.2005 19:59 "im not bashin the PS3 i just want to know why i should consider buying one..." *slaps forehead* old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 20:00 Yeah that's right go back and get your #'s right. Maybe Billy Gays can lend you some of his fingers to use so you can count better. You HOMO! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 20:01 yeah... as in i dont know the reasons to part with my hard earned cash. moron. old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 20:03 Get you're ears out of your ass. No sh!t it's a better looking game. It's a more powerful console you moron. But by the time it came to the T-TWAT, everyone had already played the sh!t out of it. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 20:04 it's good we can have a civilized conversation now. let's not ruin this article like the previous one. i agree with you that ps2 had many crappy games but so did the xbox.why do you say MGS3 was bad? come on,it was awesome (gfx,story,..). take a look at some recently released ps2 games like god of war,tekken 5.they are awesome too. and many top xbox games are watered down pc ports like riddick,half life 2,farcry,doom3...ahh,and about halo,i played halo 1 on pc and was not impressed at all.it's aliens were like children's dolls!it was childish. about halo2,i didn't play it but heard a lot of critisism about it,same about fable.overall i agree that sony lied about ps2,but if you look at it,you see a very good machine from 5 years ago. it came in 2000 don't forget. let's see what sony does this time. if they lie again i will join the MS camp! but i have strong feeling that PS3 will be something godlike and sony will deliver this time.don't forget that they face a stiff competition from MS this time and they can't under deliver. old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 20:05 give it to them #54. They're all Morons. I say we RAGE a war of insults and flush all the X-TWAT fanboys out off this site. LOL RAGE ON FUKERS!!!!!!!! old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 20:07 RAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 20:07 & MORE RAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 20:17 i agree both machines have good games and poor games, splinter cell destroys MGS, Forza eats GT4, Ninja Gaiden beats DMC, FFX who cares about that stinking pile, and play Halo on the xbox, i've played it on the pc and it sucked, and the PC ports atleast MS gets them sony doesnt, but apart from that all other games are multi format. and what's with the KILLZONE footage eh? you know it's not even gonna be close to that, so the only real footage is MGS4 which is nice but it's not amazing, GOW, Mass effect, PGR3, Too Human, Kameo(yeah i know it's badly g@y) and i know it's far from finished but it wont change that much, so all this talk of the CELL being the best thing since sliced bread just doesnt wash with me, apart from that though sony has a terrible history of under acheiving with final products. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 20:17 let's have a civilized talk with xbox fans. please calm down! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 20:19 maybe you should get your #s right you chump, that was me the "xbot" lol. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 20:23 MAN I'M SICK OF THIS PS3 VS. XBOX 360 CRAP. FORGET GETTING THE PS3 IN LATE SPRING, I'D RATHER HAVE SOMETHING NOW AND VERY CLOSE TO THE SAME PERFORMANCE 6 MONTHS EARLY. YOU GUYS SHOULD DO THE SAME BECAUSE IT'S NOT WORTH IT. 6 MONTHS IS PLENTY OF TIME TO RAISE MONEY FOR THE PS3. REALIZE LIKE I DID THAT THE PS3 AND XBOX 360 ARE SO INCREDIBLY CLOSE IN PERFORMANCE. BLU-RAY IS NOT THAT GREAT AND CELL IS JUST A NEW PROCESSOR MODEL. SIMILAR OVERALL OUTPUT SO FORGET WAITING 6 MONTHS. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 20:25 my point exactly. old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 20:27 I was actually being stupid pretending to be another xbot like #49 who can't get their #'s straight on purpose you chump. It was above your head obviously. Anyways RAGE ON GAMERS!!!!!!!Microfuks & Sony love this sh!t. It's what drives their sales. FUKING X-TWATS!!!!!!!! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 20:30 how silly of me to think that you could mess up. oh well this just proves that you are in denial, it takes a big man to admit when he is wrong, you just made yourself look tiny. old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 20:31 #63 Shut up and RAGE ON LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let’s all have some fun you IDIOTS. Do any of you realize the times that we're living in during this generation of gaming. This feud will be remembered through out the future of gaming history. Enjoy it while it lasts. SO RAGE ON FUKERS. X-TWATS Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 20:32 MGS4 wasn't amazing?!??! wow,you're quite a fanboy! it was equal to killzone if not better and we know it was real. it was the best graphics ever created on a damn gaming system! try to be fair a little please! none of what we have seen on 360 so far is even near the MGS4! i want that type of game and i know PS3 will deliver it.killzone will be a reality! old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 20:34 I've been nothing but honest all along. READ all of my posts and you will see the things that I have admitted to. Don't make me take a dump on your X-TWAT loving head. old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 20:36 MGS4 did look amazing, but with all to respect to the X-TWATS, Gears of War looks just as amazing. RAGE ON!!!!! old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 20:37 NOT!!!! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 20:41 maybe you need some thicker glasses because i have both videos on my PC and MGS4 doesnt even come close to the Killzone footage, take another look, if Killzone was real i would be getting a PS3 no doubt, now take alook at MGS4 his skin and hair are badly textured, his eyes are not wet like real eyes, and it isnt even in-game playable it it just a cut scene, so there is no AI or phsyics that bog down system performance, so seriously if you believe MGS4 is better than Killzone i am wasting my time talking to you. old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 20:44 I know one thing that is WET, and that's your mouth from having it all over Billy's hairy BALL!!!!!!!RAGE ON LOL old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 20:45 Billy had the other removed after finding out what Sony was coming out with (PS3) Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 20:46 real smooth, did they teach you that in church, reach that high note choir boy. old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 20:48 You're the last X-TWAT left. We will flush you out!!!!! LOL RAGE ON!!!!!!!! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 20:52 i've had turds with more braincells than you, so it will be me who does the flushing. old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 20:57 See there you go X-TWAT. I'm a big boy I can take it and not cry. LOL that was a funny comeback. LOL seriously it was funny. I can take it. This is all in good fun people. Lets all have fun so when we're 103 yrs old we can tell these time to our adopted grandkid robots when they're feuding about the X-TWAT12 and the PS13. old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 20:59 Still laughing #77. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 21:04 let's say killzone is better but MGS4 is an early realtime demo! it's not the final version game and still is the most amazing game we've seen on a gaming system so far.show me one xbox360 game with graphics like MGS4. and gears of war isn't like that,you know it! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 21:04 what happened to the sensible PS fan, is it just you left? oh nearly forgot.....360 rox PS3 sux, been dyin to get that out. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 21:10 remember every other sony realtime demo from early on and compare them to the finished product, you will see why i moved me and my money to MS, and if you want a comparison of 360 gmes that look like MGS4 go here http://www.xboxyde.com/index_en.html and check some out, the basketball one is fooking awesome, mass effect, PGR3, too human, and you know when splinter cell 4 comes along it will blow MGS away, like it always does. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 21:13 Oblivion looks purdy sweet aswell. Unregistered - poopmouth 10.10.2005 21:15 splinter cell better than MGS?...lol, thats a good one.....whew, i havent laughed that hard in a long time....thanks man old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 21:15 I'm back YOU X-TWAT. Not to get off the topic here but are any of you people excited for the games that are coming out soon for the PSP. The fuking thing needs some games. I think they're finally coming.fuking Sony. I hate how they make you wait FOR THE BEST PRODUCTS ON THE MARKET NO MATTER WHAT ALL OTHER HATERS SAY!!! see we both had to get things off our chests. In your case off your T!TS Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 21:22 how is the PSP, i've heard there's a design fault with it, the square button is too close to the screen and causes occasional problems, pffft f**king sony and their half assed equipment. :] Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 21:28 360 IS DA B3EST C0NS0L3 3V3!!1111!111!11!!11!1!!1 old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 21:29 That's too bad that you can't afford one. I really feel sorry for you. I do really. Anyways I read that there was a 4 gig hard drive coming out for it early next year, possibly late this year. Again I really feel for you man. old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 21:34 You HOMOS. When you were 13 everything was sony this sony that. Now that you're two years older you think you know everything about technology. Some people just love to jump on the waggon and hate what they know is the best for no reason other than they think it's cool to be that way. Later X-TWATS Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 21:37 try 25, and i dont see the point in handheld gaming, you play games in your house on your TV not when your out and about. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.10.2005 21:39 you must really like homos to go on about them your talking a lot of sh*t Stop embarrassing ps3 fans, the ps3 and yourself stop adding comments that xbox360 fans can be proud your comments are stupid, dumb and makes you sound like stupid d*ckhead old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 21:40 I was being sarcastic about the age thing you idiot X-TWAT. Don't sit there and tell me that you don't want a PSP you liar. Don't sit there looking at porn telling me that you never played Tetris on the Gameboy and didn't enjoy it. Dumb ASS X-TWAT old school with a new twist 10.10.2005 21:55 I'm just tired of these haters that hate for no reason. I like games not consoles. The only reason I raged on about the xbox you idiots is because for days now I had been coming to this site to read the most resent news on the PS3 and maybe read a few comment. But turns out that reading all the bullsh!t bickering over both consoles was so ridiculous. So I took it upon myself tonight to registered and have been talking sh!t for the past hour and a half to prove my point to you FUKCS! Quit b!tching and try and understand what is happening in the industry. It's more important than any of your BULLSH!T bickering. Now I hope you can all start having conversations. Understand that without companies like Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo, this world would not be the way it is today. Think about it. It's a fact. Competition people, it drives the future. P.S. Who gives a crap if I'm giving the PS3 and PS3 fanboys a bad image. Sony doesn't pay me, I pay them so they, and you better deal with it you FLAMER. PAUL CERULA 10.10.2005 22:33 Number 80 don't even compare MGS4 with launch 360 titles. Weren't we already over this. MGS4 is one or two years later and in no way can be compared with Xbox 360 launch titles. I want to see MGS4 compared with another FPS on the 360 AT THAT TIME. Don't be a idiot and think that MGS4 is what the PS3 would of had at this time. Unregistered - Jin 10.11.2005 00:28 Hey have you guys heard of this new system called Turbo Graphx 16. Its supposed to be soo cool. I think its gonna be better than sega Genesis and the SNES. Also, there is another console on the way called Neo Geo. Its supposed to be totally Awesome. No more playing in the 8 bit, now its all the 16 BITS. Man, the graphics on these things are totally awesome. Ok, gotta get back to listening to my Pantera. Party on dudes. Viva La Oliver North!! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 00:35 I have had a psp. biggest waste of money. Yay, I get to play old ps1 and ps2 ports on the go. See I have car that I drive places. Not a mommy to drive me around while I play it. I go out of the house to do stuff besides gaming. Get a life old school. Did you ever even graduate or did you get kicked out for sucking the principles d1ck. Go get a life and some friends. And get laid while your at it by someone other than your dad. You make all the people on this site that like ps3 look like stupid middle school brats. Stay with $ony so I don't have to listen to your bullsh1t on live. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 01:19 Thats where all this trash talking comes from, XBOX LIVE look how great M$ are learning children at an early age to swear and bicker and say rude words. They should be sued. I cant sue them cos I didnt buy Xbox, there was only 1 game I wanted (Halo) which I later played anyway on PC. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 01:28 Oh BTW I forgot to mention Halo was rubbish, I bought a cardboard box and put my PS2 games on it, so in theory I had both PS2 and a box which I put a big X on to make it more authentic, it was just as usefull as the real thing, thats the amazing thing about it. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 06:42 To be honest,i must say i'm interested in 3 xbox360 games so far: too human,mass effect,pgr3. they are freakin awesome (oblivion isn't exclusive). oh,and about GOW; why it's graphics is a bit cartoon like?? (if you look at faces and gunfires). about the 360 itself, i think it was a great mistake to drop the internal and standard HDD. it was something xbox had and others lacked. it was the decisive factor in buying an xbox wasn't it? afterall, i think we sony fans must thank microsoft for bringing the 360. you know why? because sony can't lie and under deliver anymore.if they do,ps3 will be the last sony console. they did it last time because there wasn't a real competitor for ps2 (xbox didn't sell good and hadn't too much developers). now,PS3 MUST DELIVER! AND IT SHALL DELIVER! thanks to pressure from microsoft. Unregistered - - 10.11.2005 07:40 i knoe halo was the only i wanted so i bougth the xbox but is was a waste of money it was soooooooooooooooooo boring Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 07:54 THE XBOT 1.5 IS SUCK SONY 4 LIFE. ANYBODY BUYING THAT SMALL UPGRADE SYSTEM IS A ?AY,STUPID, ?USSYCOW,MOMMY ?UCK SON,PIG NECK. FAKE GHOSTBUSTER, AS DEAD AS NOAH HA HA HA AND THE REST OF THE ARK, DIRTY ASS HOLE , ?UCKING LIL BRO IN THE ASS ,GIANT PEACH FACE .MOMMMY LIL SPOILED ?ITCH ,HOMO TENDER LOVER ,TOUCHING LIL BOYS, ANIMAL LOVER;STICKING POLES IN UR MOMMY BUTT, GLAD UR MOM DIED PLAYING XBOT.AND ONE LAST THING ALL THOSES PEOPLE THAT DIED AT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER SHOULD COME BACK AND REPLACE THEM WITH THESE FAKE ASS , NOT TRYING TO HEAR THeTRUTH ASS XBOTSSSSSSSSSS HA HA HA 1.5 Unregistered - PS3Player 10.11.2005 08:18 hi everybody i am bill gates and i wanna confess that 360 is gonna be a total crap and waste of money so dont buy it...And im going to own a PS3 and revo.. so listen to me Unregistered - Bill Gates lll 10.11.2005 09:11 No I am Bill Gates, and it's about time things were done with this sorry excuse for a forum. If this forum wishes to carry on being online, I surgest you stop all these PS3 fanboys argueing and throwing abuse, at my Xbox 360 comunity. We at Microsoft, dont tolerate such abuse or tell lies like Sony, we would never tell a lie, you hear me? NEVER!... Well maybe once or twice... OK you got me, yes the PS3 is more powerfull, but I can tell you something that is true, wanna know what it is? OK I'll tell you, J.Allard realy is g*y, he tried to grope me the other day, grabed my balls and everything, ooohhh and guess what? I realy enjoyed it, ahem, well lets just leave it at that. Please buy X360 PLEASE! I lost so much money on the first one, I cant afford to give, I mean lose more money on my evil deed to take over Sony and burry that f*cking company, sorry... Jeez do THOSE B*STARDS PISS ME OFF!!! they have everything, all the best game developers... I cant go on, forget what I said about the forum, maybe not so many people will see this. Anyway I'm off to join J.Allard in the bath, Dont forget Xbox supporters I dont tell lies realy (ha ha ha) you can trust me, the X360 realy is the best console... bye (Dumb Ass's) PAUL CERULA 10.11.2005 09:24 YOU MORONS THE XBOX 360 AND PS3 ARE GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE IN PERFORMANCE. PS3 WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE WITH BLU RAY, WHICH REALLY DOESN'T MATTER. XBOX 360 COMES OUT 6 MONTHS EARLIER. DON'T BE DOUCHE BAGS AND FORGET THAT Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 09:40 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 09:49 WoW! you still believe that after what Bill gates just said, OK for your benefit X360 Rock's (too hard and ends up tumbleing down a steap cliff, never to be seen again) Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 09:50 Ever wondered why this forum seems to be nothing but one non stop flame war between the most ill informed people on the internet? You keep telling the Xbox 360 flamers to go away but it's like minded half wits like yourselves who are causing them to be here in the first place. If you go to the affiliate site for the Xbox 360 there is next to no flaming as single format zealots from both camps who try to start one just get ignored. Instead they come here to be around people of the same intellectual level who want nothing more than to copy and past a lot of tech specs or investor relations material they don't understand anyway in an effort to make themselves feel superior to each other. Anyway heres one to keep you idiots bickering for a while longer. You say that the Xbox 360 is nothing but an Xbox 1.5. While also agreeing that the original Xbox was superior to the PS2. Lets say that for arguments sake the original Xbox is 1/3 more powerful than the PS2. Now 1/1/3 times 1.5 is roughly equal to 2 which would make the Xbox 360 equal in power to the PS3. Discuss. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 09:58 My god, cant you take a joke, jeez, who gives a F*ck about the consoles, just enjoy the games thats on the console you want, peace! Unregistered - TK 10.11.2005 10:06 MS just copies whatever the other companies do. From a technical standpoint, the PS3 interests me more. Theone odd curveball that came from nowhere was the Revolution controller. That is the one thing that may prove to be the real next generation innovation. The PS3 can display to two screens - thumbs up The eyetoy was quite a good inovation the current generation.. and they will obiously improve on it. All that I see from MS is - Hell - Sony has an eyetoy - so lets copy it quickly and claim that it is innovation. Sony has a real next gen CPU so lets get at least a multi processor so that we can pretend to do the same. All copy - no innovation. And then the revolution controller was announced - the one MS guy applauds - and the next week the VP tries to downplay it and pretend that they tried it as well. Who wants to bet that MS is furiously trying to copy the Nintendo controller and the eyetoy for the 360? Obviously - because they cannot come up with a fresh idea themselves. Thats why I will get either PS3 or Revolution. They innovated - come up with something new. Ms will just copy and try and claim innovation for a "me too" product. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 10:15 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Maleficus the Great 10.11.2005 10:33 Lets get one thing straight: no one knows, except for Sony, how much more advanced the technology of the PS3 will be over the any other console, so please shut up, fannie-boys. Why can't you just buy both the 360 and PS3 and accept that both are probably going to be excellent consoles. By the way, I have played both Splinter Cell and MGS games and MGS is by far superior. S.C. has practically no story, whereas MGS has one of the most compelling and brilliant stories of any game ever. The controls of MGS are top of the line, whereas SC has clumsy, hard controls. And does SC have characters with background stories like MGS? Of course not. You retarded fanboys give MS games a bad name and force sane, balanced players to diss games that are pretty good by comparing them to superior games. So shut up, especially you, sparty. Maleficus the Great 10.11.2005 10:39 I apologize if I offended any sane, non-biased gamers when I made my last comment. In no way am I saying Splinter Cell is a bad game, I was just saying that it can't compare with MGS. If you are a fan of Splinter Cell who has never played a MGS game, then I suggest playing one. You are missing out on a lot. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 10:39 The story for MGS2 was horrible. It just got crappier and crappier as the game went on. Kogima is just full of himself. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 10:40 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 10:42 I have to aggree with #113. The first MGS was an amazing game, but MGS2 was crap. Even the characters were goofy. The part where you played as snake was cool, but then it all went downhill after you became Raiden. I played the demo for MGS4 and I wasn't too impressed. Looked nice, but ho hum. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 10:54 THE XBOT 1.5 IS SUCK SONY 4 LIFE. ANYBODY BUYING THAT SMALL UPGRADE SYSTEM IS A ?AY,STUPID, ?USSYCOW,MOMMY ?UCK SON,PIG NECK. FAKE GHOSTBUSTER, AS DEAD AS NOAH HA HA HA AND THE REST OF THE ARK, DIRTY ASS HOLE , ?UCKING LIL BRO IN THE ASS ,GIANT PEACH FACE .MOMMMY LIL SPOILED ?ITCH ,HOMO TENDER LOVER ,TOUCHING LIL BOYS, ANIMAL LOVER;STICKING POLES IN UR MOMMY BUTT, GLAD UR MOM DIED PLAYING XBOT.AND ONE LAST THING ALL THOSES PEOPLE THAT DIED AT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER SHOULD COME BACK AND REPLACE THEM WITH THESE FAKE ASS , NOT TRYING TO HEAR THeTRUTH ASS XBOTSSSSSSSSSS HA HA HA 1.5 Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 11:00 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - NEW YORK GANGSTER 10.11.2005 11:05 UR MOMMY SUCK Unregistered - NEW YORK GANASTER 10.11.2005 11:07 UR GRANDMOTHER SUCK BIGG 1 PS3 RULEZ Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 11:07 I hope my post isnt # 177, thats if this thread reaches that number of posts. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 11:11 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 11:13 Yo mommas so fat, because she ate an Xbox and had to be crain lifted out of the roof to go shopping Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 11:18 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 11:24 Cant you come up with something more imaginative than "PiS3 sux, 360 rox!" just goes to show how dumb Xbot fanboys are. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 11:28 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 11:31 There is a stupid xboxfanboy saying 'ps3 sux, xbox360 rox' over and over How do you know that? Have you compared the two consoles with eachother??? It guess not, so STFU !!!! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 11:31 X360 sux large dangly donkey balls Rock (side to side) Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 11:33 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 11:43 X360 sux large dangly donkey balls (rocking back and forth) Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 11:48 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 11:51 Hmm... what does that mean, PS3 sucks X360 Rocks? does it mean PS3 can do more than X360? I get it, PS3 sucks X360 in and spits it back out, am I right? Unregistered - A really, really angry Ps3 supporter 10.11.2005 12:18 Would you just stop already with this "Xbox360 rulz ps3 sux" garbage!? The system isn't even bloody released yet and you're already saying its better? Listen, chances are very, very high graphics and physics on the Ps3 will be way better then the 360 because Sony is putting tons of work and completely re-doing the console 110%. Now, lets all sit down and think. Okay, so Ps3 is gonna have the best graphics (Probably.) and physics. Mark that down. Xbox 360 will still have similar graphics. Okay, good. Now we don't really care about the Nintendo thing so lets move right along. But, in the long run, do graphics matter? Its all about the games. The physics and effects are a bonus! Think of it like that, okay? Lets all have peace and wait until both systems are released, got that? Right now its only incredibly moronic to argue what one is better. Now, anyway. I have a question about High-def. Whats the difference between High-def TV's, and mine. I looked at like, 50 HDTV's yesterday and they had more glowy, fuzzy picture qualities then my ten year old Supre-Macy piece of junk! So what difference will it do for the games? I've seen HD screenshots of all the some of the games coming out, and the picture quality looks 5x worse then my TV. But I know that could easily just be the screenshot. But still. My TV plays God Of War, Resident Evil 4 and decent looking games like Area 51 and such perfectly. So, whats the difference? Whats all this progressive scan and HD junk about if I'm fine with my old TV? Someone please answer this. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 12:27 HDTV = Higher pixel count per square inch, higher resolution pictures, making films and games look less grainy/pixelated. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 12:32 A higher resolution. Play a PC game on 800x600, then again on 1024x768 - you'll notice the difference. Both consoles will support 720p (1366x768) & 1080i (360) / 1080p (PS3) - that's 1920x1080 interlaced & progressive. Most shop displays are rubbish - 452 Tv's hooked up to one scabby AF lead. HDTV thrive on a digital source - not an analogue. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 12:34 In the UK a standard TV resolution is 640 pixels x 480 pixels, a HD resolution that is 720p (720 progressive) is 1280 pixels x 720 pixels progressivly scanned (Smoother visuals) Punk Street 10.11.2005 12:35 I'm going to be honest with you guys a console and the stuff that comes out in store's are never cheap, it always expensive, I admire Sony and Nintendo for what they're doing becasue their taking their time. I don't think the ps3 will be over 500-600 or 400 right now the Xbox 360 is priced at 399.99 for the premium edition console and Sony excutives are going to watch microsofts sales as a hawk to see if the price for it is attractive or unattractive to the consumer. I heard games for the next gen consoles will be $59.99, normally I would be pissed at this type of price but if game developers put more into the games it's worth it to pay that price. Who knows who'll sell more consoles microsoft, Sony, and maybe Nintendo whoever steps up to make better games is going to appeal to the people, to tell you all the truth innovative games sell more than average games. If Sony takes their time right now the games in the trailers will be beyond what was seen at E3 or TGS, maybe the graphics and so on will be revolutionary who knows, it's really up to the developers. Nintendo on the other hand is playing it smart because no one knows what their doing with the games so they can keep their ideas safe, Nintendo is probably going to make a come back for non-gamers and gamers maybe they will, maybe they won't this I believe in Nintendo this time. Sony's giving game developers time so they can put their ideas and stuff into the games and adjust to the console, I mean Sony game developers couldn't put all the things they wanted into the games because they had limited tools. Oh some guy named "The Truth/Fish Man" said that sonys using three dev kits so the MGS 4 trailer was probably the first Cronos dev kit, anyways until all three concoles are out no one hasn't won the console war. Peace Unregistered - NEW YORK GANGSTER 10.11.2005 12:40 Here's something to set the record straight for the blur people: The great thing about PS3's CELL SPEs is that unlike Xbox 360, it is multipurpose meaning that it can render graphics, calculate AI's and physics efficiently. If you all saw The Next-Gen Getaway video, which btw featured HDR lighting and such, it was all done by the CELL without the graphics chip RSX. That pretty much tells you how powerful CELL truly is. RSX is said to be faster and advanced than the current high-end video card king, Nvidia 7800GTX. Any graphics rendering would be done by the RSX therefore developers would only utilize 1 SPE to help render the effects although using 2 SPE's would be a tremendous help to the GPU. If all the graphics are done by RSX without the help of CELL, there would be extra SPE's for AI and Physics calculation. We all know there will be 7 active SPE's. 1 SPE is almost guaranteed for sound processing. The remaining 6 would be utilized for physics and AI. If what is said about AGEIA NovodeX using only 1 SPE is true, the usage of 2 SPE's for physics would mean better graphics and physics in games. AI most certainly would only use 2 SPE's at the most and that would leave 2 remaining SPE's. Which will be used to aid graphics rendering eventually if it won't be used for any other work. Not to bash X360, but it's just basically a custom-built computer with innovative graphical features. It's GPU; Xenos, will be doing all the graphics all by itself. The CPU will be a tri-core CPU sharing 1mb L2 cache. In developers' world, that doesn't sound good. And X360 does not utilize the next-gen optical format. Disc capacity is already an uprising issue. If you take a look at Xbox 360 games, you would notice that most of it's games looks good and comparable to the new PC games. Quake 4 on Xbox 360 looks just as good as it's PC counterpart. However, it is worth mentioning that the game will be running on locked 30fps. Everyone who is an avid gamer would tell you that 60fps is the sweet spot and running a current-gen PC game at 30fps on a next-gen console is a sign of weakness. As FPS makers, they should know 60fps will always be preferred over 30fps. Although I know some of you might disagree and say that it's not optimized(which I think is *expletive deleted*), I am merely stating that X360 games looks just like current-gen PC games. The difference between X360 trailers and proved to be real-time PS3 trailers is that X360 games looks like details-cranked-up PC games whereas the PS3 games looks like pre-rendered movies. The X360 trailers were running on final dev kits. PS3 trailers ran on Alpha dev kit. Final X360 dev kit vs. PS3 Alpha dev kit. You decide which seems superior. Punk Street 10.11.2005 12:49 If I have to say this guy is leading the company into a new direction and I'm tired of Microsoft excutives making half-assed excuses about the ps3 console being expensive. Shoot a console is expensive when you put all those chips and processors and stuff into the thing, it's one thing to take your compettiors serously but bad mouthing them is about a price is stupid. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 12:59 To # 137. Cell did not run the getaway on its own, dont confuse what was and wasn't shown just on the cell chip, the only demo's shown that only used Cell was, the leaf demo and the earth simulator demo. My UNBIASED! opinion for next gen consoles: I follow Sony and I'm looking forward to PS3, but I think M$ may gain quite a large userbase next gen, do you know why that is? its useing DVD, yes Blu-ray is more expencive and is next gen and all that, but until people have those drives on their PC's they cant copy games. This is where Xbox will win, because pirates already have dual layer DVD writers, it doesnt matter what protection M$ uses, it will be broken, it always is. As much as I love Sony, I think they may have put their foot in it. Unregistered - Anonymouse 10.11.2005 13:02 right i am gonna sit on the fence (kindof) on this one you sony boys pls answer me this, when the ps3 comes out (maybe in 6 months) and it doesnt live up to what was promised what will you do ???? if the final hardware can only produce gfx the same as the 360 (plz dont refer to the e3 gfx because since developers have the final dev kits they have come a long long way since then ) what will you think of sony will you still stick by them ??? even if they lied (PLZ NO FLAMING) i am just curious to know if the ps3 doesnt live up to the hype how will you all feel. and pls no flamers xbots or fanboys Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 13:05 hi everybody i am bill gates and i wanna confess that 360 is gonna be a total crap and waste of money so dont buy it...And im going to own a PS3 and revo.. so listen to me Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 13:09 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 13:12 To # 140 I wont flame, I wont feel bad in anyway, just so long as it has comparable graphics to X360 or as near as, its the games that intrest me the most, obviously I dont want PS2.5 graphics, I want next gen and I believe Sony will deliver, IBM, SONY and Toshiba, have put alot of time, money and effort into PS3, if it doesnt live up to its name, then someone has screwed up somewhere. Unregistered - Yeah, whatever. 10.11.2005 13:17 So basically its gonna make one heck of a difference if I do or don't have an HDTV. Well, sadly. I can't just shell over 2000$ for a TV, so I'm sticking to my old TV which plays fine mind you, just obviously not as good as all TV's in todays world. But really how much of a difference will it be? Will the graphics and physics still be amazing on my old piece of junk? Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 13:18 Probably not care. I can still play MGS4 and Devil may cry 4 on it, so yeah. It wouldn't bother me if it didn't live up to the hype like Ps2. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 13:24 To # 144 the graphics will be almost 2x better running at 720p. Your old TV will still show good graphics, I'd wait until HDTV's come down in price, to a price you feel comfortable paying. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 13:25 so your basically saying that you would be happy to pay(a high price) for an inferiour product ?. just so you could play 2 games that you have played b4 (ie mgs1 to 3 dmc 1 to 3) and thats the position sony likes you to be in. selling you the dream (ie the hype , you all get excited) then giving you the cut down version. to me that doesnt make sence as to why you put up with it ??? it just confuses me as to why you have that mentality. Unregistered - Anonymous Hero 10.11.2005 13:28 http://www.gamepro.com/microsoft/xbox360/games/news/48998.shtml Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 13:30 your point is exactly?? Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 13:37 Going back to my post # 139, I was just wondering, maybe the first wave of PS3 games will be on DVD, if so, Sony will be safe. Unregistered - Abed Unknown 10.11.2005 13:40 The best game is devil may cry !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dante has spoken... Unregistered - Cynical Gamer 10.11.2005 13:47 I'll end up owning all three of the next gen consoles so it's less of an issue for me. For me games sell consoles not what they have under the hood. Hyping the power of the hardware rather than letting the games do the talking does nothing for me I'm afraid. It's a pretty unsophisticated way of marketing the console, engineered to whip the fanboys into the sort of behaviour you see at the minute. The nature of fanboys though is that even if the system doesn't come any where near their expectations for it they will accept it anyway and just get on with it. Most of those who post the tech specs and bang on about the power of the PS3 have already decided which console they will own anyway. All the press statements do is allow them to justify their decision to themselves. If it turns out to be less powerful than stated they will just find some other drum to beat to justify their loyalty. Lets just hope this discussion remains civilized though. I can barely remember the last discussion consisting of more than press statements, tech specs and sheer rudeness. Peace. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 13:51 I suppose that can be pointed at me too, the no flamer, PS3 has a Blu-ray drive and various slots X360 hasn't, I think that will make up for comparable graphics at a higher price. Those 2 games are good games, weather you like them or not, that is your opinion. There are far more games than that, that are exclusive AAA titles, those are the games I want, GT5, MGS4, DMC4, GTA and lots more plus there are some new titles, the first person shooter from Insomniac games and whatever NaughtyDog make, lots of top games I want to play. On the Xbox360 I can only name 2 at the moment, Perfect Dark Zero and Cameo, I'm sure there is more, I just cant think at the moment, tired, need sleep. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 13:54 Post #153 was aimed at post #147 Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 14:08 I just dont see what the big deal is to wait a few mor months and see if sony can deliver on their promise. The visuals on the demos just look amazingly better than xbox games. Whats the the rush to go out right away and buy the 360. Who knows, by the time PS3 comes out, Xbox360 might have a lower price. If the games dont live up to the hype of the PS3, then you can get the 360 cheaper. Come on 360 fans, you are just acting on emotion, not on logic. Just wait till both consoles come out and compare. The way it looks right now, Sony seems to have the superior system, thats a fact. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 14:10 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - Anonymouse 10.11.2005 14:17 thats what i am talking about , i will get a 360 then see what the others have to offer then make a decision based on the games on the other 2 (i do hope nintedo create more adult games (imo)) and its nice to get a concise reply instead of all that pis3 and suxbox crap .:) but if the ps3 doesnt live up to the hype then the fboys will still get it like you said (143 and 145 allready stated that they would still get it ) all that tech stuff i have no intrest in all i want is good games and new gaming ideas . no gimmics, on controllers that you have to wave around (revo) and realy what is the piont of having 7 controllers (the blutooth on ps3 ?) i realy dont get that, playing 4 player on a smallish tv can be a pain. i wourk 8 to 12 hrs a day and when i come home i just want to sit down and play a sold game for a few hrs (and nearly all weekend lol , got to keep the girl sweet to do that though lol :) ) peace back man Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 14:17 To # 156 your a fool, grow up, your repetitive comment will just go unseen from now on, I hope I speak for all? Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 14:31 the hardware to me personally is better than the 360 hardware. If anything, I will be able to watch movies in High Definition using the blu-ray. Not only will that look sweet, but they are going to be making the blu-ray a much more interactive way to watch movies. How they are going to do that, I dont know, but it sounds cool. They are promising that their console will deliver the kind of graphics they are showing us, and they are pretty resolute on that. I myself could buy all three consoles, but just dont think its a good idea. So, I am going to wait for the PS3 to come out, show me what it got and 98% likely to pick it up. Unregistered - Cynical Gamer 10.11.2005 14:31 As I've stated before I will own all three next generation consoles as will a larger portion of the userbase than many people realise. There are quite a few reasons why I'm not willing to wait for Sony to release the PS3 before buying a next generation console. The main one is that the Xbox 360 will be available in the next few weeks and as #156 says there are a couple of games scheduled for the launch window that are genuinely exciting. Anyway I've summarised my thoughts below. Lets try and keep this friendly people. 1. I doubt that we will see the PS3 here in Europe any time before Q4 2006. There may have been some wooly promises made by Sony for a Spring 2006 global launch but going on past experience we'll get the thin end of the wedge as usual. There may be some announcements before the launch of the Xbox 360 but as I said below it's a case of a few weeks versus a few months. I'm an impatient kind of guy. 2. I genuinely think Microsoft launching the Xbox360 aggresively early combined with Sony's well documented financial troubles are forcing Sony's hand regarding the launch of the PS3 and I think the games available at launch will suffer as a result. With none of the usual suspects due for an update the prospect of a Tekken Tag style Tekken 5.5 doesn't really inspire me to buy the console at launch. 3. They have yet to show a single IP of note that looks like it will be ready for the launch. The lack of playable code so far leads me to this conclusion. All the games that everyone is hyping up (MGS, DMC, GT5 etc.) according to Sony are in the early stage of development. Again the prospect of playing those games in the future doesn't inspire me to but the console at launch. As I've said before for me games sell consoles not hardware specifications so I'd like to close by saying that your comment about emotions clouding peoples judgement can just as easily be applied to you. You didn't mention a single game you're looking forward to in your post and to me that says quite a lot. Peace. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 14:35 there was a #156????? OHHH! Wait I see him now aweee look at the little piss ant, isn't he so stupid...Yes him is. It's like talking to a baby, and getting the same kinda responds.... nothing but jibberish. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 14:38 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - Anonymouse 10.11.2005 14:38 why does bluray get you all hot and bothered?? some peeps keep saying "sony and tosh and ibm have invested too much money to let it fail" right first its the consumer that decides what will bet the next big thing. vhs v betamax. betamax was superiour but vhs won vhs v dvd ....dvd won 8 track v tapes...tapes won vinal v cd....cd won cd v super audio cd v dvd audio (sacd and dvd audio were superiour)...cd won again. cd v minidisk v mp3 (the industry said mp3 would never take off) mp3 won but it need the cd so they both kinda won. now its dvd (very well established dvd players in 98% of homes) v bluray v hddvd if people still buy dvd then the other 2 are dead in the water. poeple dont like to be told what to buy. i see adverts that tell me to buy an ipod cos i will be cool, i bought an iriver ihp 20 gig same size as an ipod but has a built in mp3 encoder and a radio, technically superior to the ipod. so the consumer has the power i dont waqnt to buy into a lifestyle because i have my own lifestyle.following a trend means you have no choice you might aswell be a comunist , so back to the consoles ps1 v n64 (n64 was superior) ps1 won ps2 v xbox v game cube (xbox was superiour)...ps2 won (with the xbox 2nd) now 360 v ps3 who knows ??? its sales that will decide, 360 is first, has the games but in the end the console that sells the most will get the most games and therefore become the winner. so flamers flame on cos it means nothing its all hot air. you cant predict sales figures so you know nothing. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 14:41 Trust me, there are a lot of games I am looking forward to on the PS3. How can you say that The emotion statement can be applied to me, well, i guess it could be applied to me, but not fairly. I am stating the fact that none of the consoles are out yet, wait till they are, compare them side by side and see which is better. Now if you have already made up your mind on getting the 360, thats fine, because obviously you like some of the launch games that are comming out, I dont. But those are just opinions, and they are subjective. I choose to wait and pick which i think is the best one out of the three. You choose to get all three. My first post was to people who are going for one or another. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 14:44 you're forgetting somehitng sir. Blu-ray is backed by some HUGE Industreis. For example, ofcourse SONY, APPLE, HP, DELL, Paramount, DISNEY..etc. Blu-Ray is here to stay. Unregistered - anassassinoftime 10.11.2005 14:51 Does anybody find it funny how MICROSOFT is showcasing their console's graphics on APPLE processors? Microsoft, which on any other day would tell you how inferior the Apple CPU is to their own, Intel-based bedmate, is going around the world unveiling their new Xbox on a black counter which, hidden within, houses essentially two Apple G5 computers. I'm sorry - I needed to start with that. Specifications and technological analyses are, at best, useless. At worst, they are an insult to anyone with even the slightest capacity for independent thought. It is never about the specs, or the numbers, or the "raw power". To me, personally, the PS2 is better than the Xbox. The Xbox has a better CPU - the Xbox has a better GPU - the Xbox probably even has a better fan. But, as an avid gamer and tech guru, all of that really doesn't matter. What does matter, in my opinion, is that the next-generation wave of consoles truly do represent a new generation. It is easy for technological systems and devices to fall into a pattern of "rehash syndrome" - updating and upgrading existing products (yesterday's products) and pretending that they therefore represent new ideas (today's products). On the brink of the release of Xbox 360, PS3, and the Nintendo Revolution, the current-gen Xbox, PS2, and GameCube are all yesterday's products. The battle between next-gen systems is not about the numbers (though, the PS3 does boast far better specs - for those of you who actually lend weight to this fact). To me, it is about which console will truly usher in a new generation. To me, the best console is not the one that makes yesterday's tech reusable today - the best console is the one that makes tomorrow's tech attainable today. The Xbox 360 will be nice - better graphics, better design, better interface - but in reality, it is little more than an upgrade to the current-gen Xbox. Improving graphics, performance, speed - such is the "rehash syndrome" technology trap that so many developers and system designers so easily fall into. Consider, now, the PS3. First, we have Cell. There is a lot of technical jargon that could be thrown in here, but I'll spare you (and myself). The important thing about Cell is that it redefines decades-old "theory" about what a CPU should be. Everything - from the way it queues processes, to the way it handles memory, to the way it interacts with other key components, such as the GPU - all of it is revolutionary. Indeed, it is safe to assume that Cell will be the basis for a brand new line of chipsets that truly reinvent the CPU for every device, from PC's to video game consoles to even your coffee-maker. The efficiency and, dare I say, grace with which the Cell will operate will truly open up a plethora of new, previously unseen doors through which designers can explore. Xbox, on the otherhand, is simply using a more advanced modern-day processor (again, one chiefly modelled off competitor Apple's PowerPC line). A good way to assess the performance of these next-gen systems is to compare them to current top-of-the-line PCs. The X360 will, in truth, be using a processor that rivals the best in PC CPUs (all things being equal). The PS3, however, will be using a processor that is, at present, far more advanced and powerful than any available PC CPU. PS3 will introduce a truly next-gen CPU - X360 will "reintroduce" a current, albeit slightly upgraded CPU. Next, let us look at graphic power. The PS3 GPU ("RSX") is, at present, twice as powerful as the most advanced currently available PC GPU. The X360 GPU (a remotely customized ATI project) is about as powerful as an upper-mid level PC GPU. Sony is taking an unprecedented step AHEAD of the PC world, introducing a GPU that, for the first time in console history, will actually force PC chip-makers to play catch-up. Microsoft is merely borrowing an existing GPU and adding a few sparks. Again, in my humble opinion, this demonstrates how Sony is thinking about tomorrow, whereas Microsoft is content with the technology available today. Finally, we'll consider media. There has been a lot of heated debates over Sony's BD-ROM format (Blu-Ray Disks, one of two rival High-Definition, Next-Gen "DVD" medias under development). Many Microsoft fan-boys have gone on record saying that they would rather stick with the admittedly tried and true DVD format then venture a risk with a new, sure-to-be proprietary format. Again, I have to ask - in the battle of "NEXT-GEN" systems, which of these formats truly offers a 'NEXT-GEN" quality? The PS2 uses DVD. So does the current Xbox. In my opinion, a next-gen console that reuses a current-gen media format is, in truth, NOT a next-gen offering. Sony has made the decision to offer over and beyond what is available today - Microsoft would like to stick with what they've got. The BD format will usher in a new generation in media presentation - a Blu-Ray disk can truly be rendered in complete High-Definition, whereas DVDs often prove incapable. Sony is looking ahead to the real next generation, while Microsoft is still caught up in the nexus of today's current generation. The downside? Cost. Blu-Ray will cost more than DVD. Two of the most powerful GPUs stacked together will cost more than just one, good GPU. A new, reinvented CPU will cost more than a reused, unoriginal CPU. But that's the nature of technology. You PAY for next-generation technology. You PAY for thinner, faster laptops. You PAID more for DVDs than you did for VHS. You PAY for handheld computers, smart-phones, and PDA-GPS hybrids. You PAY for new technology. The offset has always been that it is generally worth it. It is better to spend a little extra money to get better, newer products. You'll spend less on the X360, but all you are getting is an upgraded Xbox. You'll spend more on the PS3, but in that case, you're getting a revolutionary new product that will truly usher in a new generation of technology. And yes, you'll pay a lot for it - it really comes down to where you want to be. Do you want to stay in this generation, or do you want to venture where the "next-gen" consoles are supposed to bring us - the future. In my opinion, X360 will be nice - but not next-gen. PS3 will be incredible - a system worthy of being coined a NEXT GENERATION console. And keep your heads up - it's only the beginn Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 14:57 just because its backed bu huge companys doesnt mean its here to stay because if people dont buy it it will be a flop. thats just simple economics its the consumer that has the choice sir. what about the people on low income that bought there dvd players for 40 quid in asda(walmart in the usa) and the people that have just invested in dvd recorders. all the dvd driveds in pc's, are the going to have to spend more money replacing every thing....? to be honest .i watch..., lets say irobot at 16;9 through my progressive scan dvd player thats pluged into my panasonic progressive scan hd ready plasma (using rgb component) looks...well it blows me away . i have seen high def movies , when i was deciding to get a plasma the panasonic shop showed me some highdef footage in the showroom setup and i cant tell the difference to my setup. so you argument has no basis, just because big buisiness backs it it dont make it the winner Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 15:07 Pull your head out of your ass #166. The ps3 gpu is just an updated gforce 7800. I would love to know where you are getting your information. Did you just grab one of Sony's ever so truthfull press releases. Why don't you go stick your head farther up Ken Kutaragis ass. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 15:08 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 15:09 and just how do you know this you have just rehashed sonys press statment about the cell and saying the 360 is just an upgraded xbox , your talking sheeeite. once again if you took time to look at the specs you will find that the 360 has the better gfx "card" and the 360 is here and now . and it is next gen. you gan say what you want it dont matter if you use a lot of parragraphs to explain your point , your point has flaws. this xbox1.5 crap is just so childish(i know you didnt say that but you implied it)most independant analysts say that the ps3 and 360 are very much equal in power , but its the ps3 that is causing the headaches the cell might be powerfull but i like to believe my eyes ive played a 360 and its scarily good (i went to xo5 mmmm weed and games) you just tried to hide your fanboyizm under a long winded post . i for one wasnt fooled SIR !!! Unregistered - Cynical Gamer 10.11.2005 15:14 Sorry if I offended you with the "emotions clouding judgement" remark it wasn't my intention. I just wanted to point out that it could be read that way. Anyway no offence intended and it's good to see things kept on the friendly footing. I have to say that regarding both Bluray and HD DVD I'm not entirely convinced that disc based systems are the future of video distribution at least. I admit that in a video game console the additional storage is a bonus but I've been swapping discs for years and I'm sure a few more years of in game exercise won't do me any harm. Also putting Bluray in the PS3 is an excellent idea from a business point of view as not only does it add to the next gen wow factor (as pointed out by 166) it also acts as a "Trojan Horse" to get the format established in the marketplace. The only drawback being the fact that the majority of PS3 consoles will in the early stage of the life cycle be connected to standard def TV's, thus negating the advantages of the format. I keep thinking back to the Minidisc and my experiences with my Minidisc walkman and can't help but get the feeling that the same thing might happen again. I bought a Minidisc walkman only to find it pretty much obsolete due to the massive upsurge in poularity of MP3 players. I just get the feeling that HD cable and Satelite broadcasting (potential especially in cable for pay and play on the latest releases)combined with increases in internet download speeds (microsoft media centre streaming HD playback through the Xbox 360? Who knows) could undermine both formats. It's just conjecture on my part. As has been stated before no one knows what's going to happen but the backing of big business doesn't guarantee success. If people don't buy the discs or an alternative distribution model proves more popular to the general public then Bluray may end up as nothing more than the format PS3 games are distributed on. Unregistered - NEW york gangster 10.11.2005 15:14 UR RIGHT DUDE PS3 4 EVER Unregistered - NEW YORK GANGSTER 10.11.2005 15:17 Sony announced they will host a PlayStation 3 entertainment festival named Akihabara Enta Matsuri in Tokyo, Japan between October 22 - 30, it seems Sony will be showcasing all the new PlayStation 3 software and hardware, it is uncertain whether the software will be playable or in video form only." Unregistered - Anonymous Hero 10.11.2005 15:27 THE XBOX 360 IS REVOLUNTIONARY. SEE IT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT. THE PS3 IS REVOLUTIONARY. DOESN'T THAT SOUND BETTER(YEAH!).JUST LOOK AT THE XBOX 360 GAMES, THEY SUC. ON THE OTHER HAND THE PS3 GAMES LOOK AND SOUND ALOT BETTER IN COMPARISION. HAVE YOU SEEN THE NBA LIVE 06 IN GAME DEMO ON THE XBOX 360? THE GRAPHICS LOOK SUB-PAR AND THE PLAYER ANIMATIONS LOOK JUST LIKE CURRENT GEN NBA LIVE(YOU KNOW THE ICE SKATING EFFECT). DO ACTUALLY THINK THE CELL PROCESSOR WILL DO THE SAME? PLEASE. NOT TO MENTION THE LAUCH IS A MONTH AWAY. SEE FOR YOURSELF XBOX FAN HO'S-----> http://xboxmovies.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/2591/NBA-LIVE-06-Footage/ Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 15:28 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 15:33 It certainly looks ingame to me, considering the screen blanking then being in control, the video's are a bit poor tho, stream the vids in Hi-res, http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748465/vids_1.html Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 15:38 "The PlayStation Meeting Gundam demo is the first example of a fully playable PS3 demo (that is, a demo where you actually control a character), even though we ourselves didn't get to play it. Expectedly, the game is a bit early in its development cycle. After entering the game from the title screen, the player, who played using a Dual Shock 2 controller, was able to move his Mobile Suit around and shoot. Towards the end of the demo, an enemy came out and destroyed the player's partner Mobile Suit. The player was then able to blast the enemy, bringing an end to the demo." http://ps3.ign.com/articles/635/635525p1.html Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 15:41 and just how do you know this you have just rehashed sonys press statment about the cell and saying the 360 is just an upgraded xbox , your talking sheeeite. once again if you took time to look at the specs you will find that the 360 has the better gfx "card" and the 360 is here and now . and it is next gen. you gan say what you want it dont matter if you use a lot of parragraphs to explain your point , your point has flaws. this xbox1.5 crap is just so childish(i know you didnt say that but you implied it)most independant analysts say that the ps3 and 360 are very much equal in power , but its the ps3 that is causing the headaches the cell might be powerfull but i like to believe my eyes ive played a 360 and its scarily good (i went to xo5 mmmm weed and games) you just tried to hide your fanboyizm under a long winded post . i for one wasnt fooled SIR !!! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 15:44 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - Anonymous Hero 10.11.2005 15:47 U HAD TOO MUCH WEED IF YOU THINK XBOX 360 IS BETTER THAN THE PS3. DON'T JUDGE A SYSTEM THAT YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED. I PLAYED THE XBOX 360 TOO AND IT SUCKS SO SHUT THE F[UK UP. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 15:53 where have you played it then ????? and i was at xo5 you d1ck . and to the others that gundam vid hahahaha what a lame ass vid, ghost recon 3 pisses all over that lapit up boys i think the ps3 should be called ps3 - 0.2 = ps2.5 realy that gundam footage is very poor (not talking about the quality i mean the gfx it looks like early 360 foorage from e3 hahahahaha i realy am laughing) Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 15:54 i meant ps3-0.5 = ps2.5 lol Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 15:55 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - Anonymous Hero 10.11.2005 15:57 YOU D1CK I WENT TO X05 TOO. SO I PLAYED IT THERE DUMB@SS. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 15:58 hahahaha you tosser look and sound better what games. plz tell me what games on the ps3 look and sound better ???? and tell me why the games on the 360 suc . what do you base that opinion on you idiot. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 16:02 yea right a sony fanboy at xo5 i for one sir do not believe you if you were there , you wouldnt say the games are sh1t. gears of war is looking stunning and pgr 3 well fantastic and condemend is coming along very nice kameo blew me away .. i could go on...but i wont i dont want to upset the sony fboys with there killzone and mgs4 vids and that crappy gundam ingame vid. sir dont be an idiot all your life Unregistered - Anonymous Hero 10.11.2005 16:04 U G@Y HOMO SHUT UP. GET A 360 AND SEE FOR YOURSELF. I PLAYED THE 360 AT XO5 AND I WAS DISAPPIONTED. U NAME A GAME THAT LOOKS GOOD ON 360. OH I FORGOT U NEVER PLAYED ONE IN REAL TIME. Unregistered - SEIYA 10.11.2005 16:05 Sony&Xbox360 come out the same time NOV.22 OR SO? let's said that sony has all those demos ready at launch date?? which one would win SONY OR XBOX30, do you think MS will gain much of the market or will it be sony.. that's hard to guess. So i won't said who would win, that i'll leave to you.. PLEASE INSERT YOUR COMMENT Unregistered - Anonymous Hero 10.11.2005 16:08 I MADE THE COMMENT AFTER I PLAYED THE GAMES AT X05 STUPID. JUST BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T AFFORD A X05 TICKET DOESN'T MEAN I CAN'T. WHY IS AN XBOX FANBOY DOING ON A PS3 SITE ANYWAY? Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 16:10 To 181 did you even bother to read the article at IGN on Gundam? jeez read before responding with stupid imature coments. Here I'll post the whole article for all you xbox fans to read: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- PS Meeting 2005: PS3 Gundam Live Videos of the new PS3 Gundam game being played before us. by Anoop Gantayat July 21, 2005 - Remember that PlayStation 3 E3 Gundam demo that blew fans away? Although we had our suspicions, Bandai confirmed today at Sony's PlayStation Meeting press conference that the video consisted of pre-rendered footage designed to resemble what a PS3 game might look like. We wouldn't have to wait too long to see the real thing, though, as Bandai brought a playable demo to the conference and played it right in front of us. The PlayStation Meeting Gundam demo is the first example of a fully playable PS3 demo (that is, a demo where you actually control a character), even though we ourselves didn't get to play it. Expectedly, the game is a bit early in its development cycle. After entering the game from the title screen, the player, who played using a Dual Shock 2 controller, was able to move his Mobile Suit around and shoot. Towards the end of the demo, an enemy came out and destroyed the player's partner Mobile Suit. The player was then able to blast the enemy, bringing an end to the demo. There isn't much life in the game world at this point, and with good reason. The demo doesn't use any physical calculations. Such calculations, which will add effects such as wind and smoke, will make use of the Cell's seven SPU processing units. The game in its current form uses just the main Cell processor (minus the SPUs) and the system's graphics chip. Bandai pointed out that developer Beck created the demo from scratch, without the use of middleware. It's unclear if Beck hopes to continue along this fully independent development path, or if some of the powerful PS3 middleware tools will be incorporated in the final rev of the game. You can take a look at the early demo for yourself through the two videos that we've uploaded. Once Bandai and Beck have added more life to the world, the PS3 may end up with an impressive take on the Gundam franchise. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Its still in the very early stages of developement, No effects or anything or proper collision dtection phisycs, I can see that for myself, in the vids. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 16:16 No offense taken about the emotion comment. The guy that wrote that huge article of the ps3 and xbox360. You said it best and it was straight to the point and accurate. 360 fans are going to believe what they want to believe, cant change their minds. But You made it very detailed and very clear as to which and why the console is better. PS3 people, from the tech specs seems to be far better than 360. Thats why I am waiting and seeing for myself, instead of rushing out and buying a 360. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 16:18 Whats going on here guys? Are we having another girly Fanboy fight? Shut the hell up Xbox fans and listen to me. You have no right to say Xbox360 is better then Ps3, at least now. They aren't even friggin released yet! You're making yourself look really stupid right now because both systems aren't finished yet, and each ones hardware is still being changed. So where the heck are you pulling this from? How is this even intelligent? Let me try and stop this once and for all with hard, true facts. Ps3 has a better processor, graphics card, and memory span then Xbox360. Its more powerful, it can pull off better things. But that doesn't mean jack if it doesn't have good games. So basically Ps3 could be a flop, or could be the best. Same thing goes with Xbox360. If it has good games, and Ps3 doesn't, guess what one wins. Lets wait until they're actually released guys! Please, don't flame me. I just want this to end. How about lets talk positively about each system together, okay? Lets talk about each systems announced games, how cool and fun they look, and stop whining and fussing about what one is better. This is really childish. We're beyond that now! We're mature teens or older. I don't know about you, but I am. We shouldn't be acting like little kids. Unregistered - Anonymous Hero 10.11.2005 16:19 THANK YOU 191 Unregistered - HAVOC 10.11.2005 16:26 ms fanboys just stop it, it's getting rediculous. we all know y'all wish y'all were getting a blu ray drive in the 360 and a more powerful microprocesser but your not. Now we not saying the xbox 360 is garbage but don't come in here like your system has what ps3 has. Can't believe y'all our coming in here like you have the right to brag just want to hate on what the ps3 and psp will have. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 16:34 DAMN, I am an hardcore XBOX360 Fan, but after reading that article and the specs for the PS3, I am beggining to think that the PS3 is actually better. I am gonna end up waiting for the PS3, has too many things that are actually not available today. Sorry MS, but this one went to SONY Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 16:57 Damn, I am a hardcore sony fan, but damn, I am getting tired of seeing pre-rendered videos. I am seeing actual ingame gameplay and I am starting to think that the 360 is better. I mean, I would not really miss out on much by getting a 360. Just more sequels to existing ps2 franchises. I like how the 360 has a lot more original games. I guess I will just have to get a 360 and use the extra money I would have spent on the ps3 on more games for the 360. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 16:58 you just proved my point, you're just LIKE MS, they see a good Idea and copy it. No innovation kid. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 17:00 HAHA, he got you there 360 guy. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 17:02 OOOOhhh. How can you talk about innovation when most if not all of the major games you fanboys are talking about for the ps3 are just all sequels. Where is the innovation in DMC4 or MGS4. Why can't kojima come up with a new game? Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 17:04 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 17:04 wow #196 you are really dom why in the hell would anyone want to go to ms after seeing those horrible gameplay vids. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 17:07 hey, to the "Pis3 sux, 360 rox" you're a fool. If you think about, a 360 is a full turn, and Circle. So, the xbox360 did a full complete circle on itself and is right back where it started, a freakin xbox. Unregistered - NEW YORK GANGSTER 10.11.2005 17:49 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just finished watching the video and I found that what I saw I already knew.....I have not seen 1 thing yet from the XBox360 that is next gen... All the games just have smoother graphics(and that they are also plastky looking).....thats about it.....Microsoft tried to hard to hurry up and make a system and really didn't look to making a "NEXT GEN" system........ You can relate Microsoft's Xbox360 so well to the Sega DreamCast.... The XBox360 will sell very well this christmas but soon, like the DreamCast sales will plumet and the PS3 will rise and take over as the "REAL NEXT GEN SYSTEM" I am sure as time continues and right before the launch of the 360,... Sony will release more videos and show playable demos that will prove all of this information to be true........People that are undecided or might have bought a 360 will have time to save up and righten their mistake.... Here is some extra info as well.....Some of Xbox360's games that were suppossed to be launch titles are already being delayed due to "Optimization" such as Ghost Recon.......See...the DVD-9 instead of starting with the HD-DVD is already killing them.....And maybe it would kill them even more to then go with the HD-DVD and then lose again to BLU-RAY.......... Just a thought Unregistered - NEW YORK GANGSTER 10.11.2005 17:50 YEAH I SAID IT SEGA DREAM CAST ALL OVER FAGGOTS Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 17:53 I dont know about anyone else, but I think this game has huge potential, if you watch the vids closely there is nothing in there, the buildings aren't destructable yet, bullets hit invisable walls (no real collision detection), the graphics are clearly unfinished, no wind no smoke no particle effects from the floor as the mobile suit's stomp their feet to the ground creating dust beeing blown with wind. There's clearly loads of stuff missing from this demo and I cant wait to see the finished game. Unregistered - Jin Kazama 10.11.2005 18:02 man, the PS# it totally gonna kick Butt. For all of you PS3 fans out there, a friendly challenge. I want all of you guys and GIRLS to get Tekken 6, and play it online. I am pretty dominiant in Tekken Series around town, with only one guy who basically kicks all our asses, but other than that guy, I am pretty unstoppable. So get Tekken 6, i wanna see how I rank world wide. It gonna be Sweet, i look forward to it. Anybody up for it??? Unregistered - NEW YORK GANGSTER 10.11.2005 18:02 YEAH THAT GAME IS GOING 2 BE AMAZING Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 18:04 to all the true PS# fans out there, enough of the argument of whcih console its better. its back to the real topics, on how cool its gonna be and the GAMES. i look forward to Need for Speed most wanted and Tekken 6. its gonna be cool Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 18:29 first of all for you to say that the games arent next gen enough is totally bogus. At least microsoft has shown all real time graphics what has sony shown not a damn thing so how can you compare when there is nothing to compare from sony. GOW,PGR3,MADDEN 06(both consoles),ghost recon(which is a launch title confirmed) just to name a few looks better than anything out right now and for a while to come. You can keep bashing the xbox360 all you want while i'm playing one this holiday season and your still playing that crappy ps2 of yours. Unregistered - havoc 10.11.2005 18:32 yea I will most definately be looking forward to mgs4 because mgs3 was one of the best games I played. I also want to see Mobil suit gundam because those machines were so big and I am also looking forward to I-8. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 18:33 NEED for Speed even on the PS2 is gonna be sweet. this is gonna be a great holiday season for Sony, NFS:MW, Shadow of the collossus is just gonna be awesome, resident Evil 4 is gonna be way cool. Good games for the PSP also. When PS3 comes out, its just gonna be INSANELY awesome Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 18:41 if the xbox360 isnt next gen then why is people i know that own ps2 and never played xbox and hardcore playstation fans have told me and have shown me that they are getting a 360. the concept behind 360 is that you will be able to use your xbox360 for all kinds of digital entertainment gaming, movies, and, music. Unregistered - Brandon 10.11.2005 18:43 I am selling my aim s/n "IloveMYxbox360" and "PLAYINitLIKEaPS3" Make a offer send me a e-mail at poolboy305@hotmail.com Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 18:47 The Xbox360 is going to be a next-gen console dude. Where the hell did you pull that one out of? All three systems are going to be next generation. Graphics don't mean everything Einstein, its about the games and the realism, not the graphics and visuals. Like physics and gameplay matter, and the graphics are a real good bonus, like with Resident evil 4 and Half-life 2. Think of it that way. To Ps3 fans like me we have to realize we were beat by the original Xbox in hardware, and games. Okay, so thats overwith. Now to the Xbox fans. Can't you think the same way? Maybe you were beat with visuals, but we still don't know about games. Lets just let this be, okay? Unregistered - NEW YORK GANGSTER 10.11.2005 18:47 COME ON MAN PS2 STILL GOT GAMES LEFT THAT WILL SHINE.THAT WILL HOLD US TRUE SONY FANS OVER SO GET UR DREAMCAST OHHH SRY X-NUT 360.. HA HA GET UR FINGER OUT OF BILL GATES BOOTY FAGGOT Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 18:53 Whoa, whoa! Watch it pal. The Ps2 and older consoles aren't a part of this. Ps2 is a great console, and we all will admit we were beaten in hardware and system specs this time around, but just wait until the release of the new systems. Am I right guys or what? Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 19:01 To # 209 Have you seen the character animation in GoW? not very fluid, PGR3 looks great. Madden06 isnt my type of game, I hate sports games, but thats just my opinion. Ghost recon looks OK and seems to look like it will play OK too, some nice explosions. Kameo is a very nice game, which you didn't mention? hmm. There's loads of games on PS3 I want to play too, Motorstorm, Warhawk, Resident evil 5, MGS4, Tekken 6, GTA4, GT5 and many more. Lots of great games next gen. Unregistered - NEW YORK GANGSTER 10.11.2005 19:02 At X05, Microsoft confirmed that the Xbox 360 will have a comprehensive launch lineup that will appeal to game enthusiasts. In addition, the announcements of original properties like Mass Effect and franchise titles like Splinter Cell 4 reiterated a firm commitment from Xbox 360 third-party developers. However, there is not one launch game that demonstrates a distinguishable quantum leap into the next-generation. In their current form, Xbox 360 launch games may not be able to justify a $300 - $400 investment for new hardware from consumers. The hardware will sell through on buzz and holiday momentum but could see an impending sales slump without a consistent seller like Halo.Get it no Halo no 360 hahaha Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 19:11 LOSERS!!!! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 19:21 To # 219 Icludeing yorself, at least I can admit I'm a loser. I've played a few 2 player games and lost, I've played online and lost, yep I think we are all loser's at some point, you plain suck, cos you cant admit to being a loser, you just go around calling everyone else losers, when your probably the biggest loser on here. P.S No hard feeling's enjoy which ever system you prefere the games for. Peace Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 19:40 #202. Did you come up with the insult all by yourself. I havn't heard that one before. God, where is your innovation? Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 19:50 #218. So PGR3 is not a quantum leap compared to PGR2? It looks ten times better than GT4. Get your head out of your ass. I guess those sh1tty PiS2 graphix have really blinded you. Being a fanboy is one thing, but being a complete waste of sperm is another. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 19:55 I'd rather play atari than 360. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 19:57 TEKKEN 6 IS GONNA KICK SOME MAJOR BUTT!!! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 20:00 You dont put caps in your ass, they are meant to go on your head, you meet some strange people on the net. j/k Unregistered - ISUCKATLIFE 10.11.2005 20:03 ALRITE, LOOK AT IT THIS WAY... EVERY CONSOLE THAT CAME OUT AFTER IT'S RIVALS HAS BEEN BETTER THEN THE 1ST ONE TO HIT THE SHELVES.... SO.. YEH... (BLU-RAY,BLUETOOTH, NVIDIA, 7 CONTROLLERS, 1080P RESOLUTIONS... IT GOES ON..) ---MY JACKASS FRIEND DESTROYED MY KEYBOARD AND UNCAP IT... Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 20:07 My dad works for microsoft, and he said the xbox360 is waaay better than the playstation 3. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 20:07 tekken looks way better than dead or alive 4,this looks like crap Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 20:15 thats what I HAVE BEEN saying for SOO long, thank you for someone finally backing me on that. tekken 5 looks better than DOA4 Unregistered - poopmouth 10.11.2005 20:16 my dad can beat your dad up, and he works for sony....yeah....and hes strong....poopy head Unregistered - PiS3 sux, 360 rox! 10.11.2005 20:26 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 20:36 OLD FASHION EGG CUSTARD PIE 4 tbsp. sugar 1/4 c. butter 4 eggs 2 c. milk 3 tbsp. flour Mix well. Pour into uncooked pie shell; sprinkle with nutmeg if desired. Bake at 300 degrees until custard is set and lightly brown Then I chuck the pie in your lame ass dad's face. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 20:41 PiS3 rox, 360 sux Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 20:45 PlSS sux SHlT rox! Unregistered - Anonymous 10.11.2005 20:52 WOW, you guys are amazing!! a few and when i saw FEW i mean it, have actually made a valid argument and made anysense. Most of you are just bashing the other person becuase you think your big wheel is cooler than the guy above you, that or someone pissed in your cheerios and have nothing better to do than argue about something thats not even here yet. Both systems look good, ive seen alot of gameplay footage from XBOX360 and well i wasnt that impressed with it. The graphics upgrade seems more like an upgrade from Playstation 1 - Playstation 2, alot nicer looking yes, but next gen?! not in my book. Since its my hard earned cash going into one of these systems im rooting for PS3, but im going to wait until i can compare the two and make a wise decision. Although sony is good at all the hype and BS as we've seen before i still think they are going to deliver a kick ass product that will blow past anything else on the market. Even if PS3 doesnt live up to the highest expectations we have for it, its still gonna make everything else look like a waste of time. Maybe im right, maybe im wrong, but im still excited to see whats going to happen. And by the way, MANY Of you need to go to school once in awhile, or atleast english class to get some grammar skills.... Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 20:54 Your dad sux, my dad rox! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 20:58 PS3 can use upto 7 dildo's via blue tooth, so you have to colour your teeth blue before you can suck one of these 7 controllers. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 21:01 PS3 can use upto 7 dildo's via blue tooth, so you have to colour your teeth blue before you can suck one of these 7 controllers. I forgot to mention, Sony's new inovation, they can also be used in your ass, now too. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 21:11 grillstation sux 360 owns Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 21:14 My bad, I got it wrong: "???????????????????????????SCEJ??????????2?????SIREN(????)???????????????????????????????????????????????????" The translation is: Upto 14 people can use these controllers, because they are double ended. So there we have it, upto 14 people can enjoy playing games together. Unregistered - PS3 Fan 10.11.2005 21:28 Xbox360 has nothing goin for it,no nex gen Bluray/HD-Drive.PS3 is the way too go for true nex gen as PS3 comes with a Bluray drive and better alround technology. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 21:30 PS3 RULEZ, XBRICK 1.5 FLOPS Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 21:37 Angelina Jolie SUCK's, my c?ck is ROCK! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 21:41 Does anyone talk any sence on here? Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 21:44 Angelina Jolie SUCK's my c0ck when its ROCK! Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 21:50 Did everyone misread this at the top of the page? "The Cell microprocessor which Sony developed with IBM and Toshiba clearly sets the PS3 apart. It is 35 times faster than the processor in the PS2. 10 times the power of a standard PC and twice the processing power of Microsoft's new Xbox360. This technology allows for super computer like performance, moving quality images and the degree of realism that is simply amazing in a home gaming device. It's been said in the press that no other chip in the world can touch it. We are confident that this is true." PS3 Cell 2x more power than X360s 3 cores. Unregistered - voice of reason 10.11.2005 21:54 What matters is same developers are making games for 360 and ps3...only few are exculsive so what makes you think ps3 games will be so much more nextgen than 360? I agree that proccessor wise sony is more powerful but its up to the developers to make great games not sony...I think sony got you fanboys spoiled by their hype cgi movies...thats why i don't like sony's tactics they mislead their customers. I'm not a xbox fanboy I just like to play games. You have to agree sony didn't show us anything real just yet. So you sony fans just wait and talk later when you guys have any real footage. But for now can't deny 360 is here and some games look awesome. Of course we have to wait until we play it to judge if its worth calling it nextgen. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 22:06 What matters is same developers are making games for 360 and ps3...only few are exculsive so what makes you think X360 games will be so much more nextgen than PS3? I agree that proccessor wise sony is more powerful but its up to the developers to make great games not M$...I think M$ got you fanboys spoiled by their hype fake devkits under tables at E3...thats why i don't like Ms tactics they confused their customers. I'm not a PS3 fanboy I just like to play games. You have to agree M$ didn't show us anything real just yet. So you M$ fans just wait and talk later when you guys have any real Gameplay. But for now can't deny 360 is here and some games look rubbish. Of course we have to wait until we play it to judge if its worth calling it nextgen. Unregistered - voice of reason 10.11.2005 22:18 To 248, Thanks for telling the world you are an idiot~~for changing my comments earlier, I guess i don't have to feel sorry for you for being misguided by sony...you are plain fool. Living in your own world...well good luck and hope you grow up someday. Unregistered - voice of reason 10.11.2005 22:19 What matters is same developers are making games for 360 and ps3...only few are exculsive so what makes you think ps3 games will be so much more nextgen than 360? I agree that proccessor wise sony is more powerful but its up to the developers to make great games not sony...I think sony got you fanboys spoiled by their hype cgi movies...thats why i don't like sony's tactics they mislead their customers. I'm not a xbox fanboy I just like to play games. You have to agree sony didn't show us anything real just yet. So you sony fans just wait and talk later when you guys have any real footage. But for now can't deny 360 is here and some games look awesome. Of course we have to wait until we play it to judge if its worth calling it nextgen. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 22:28 Thanks for telling the world you are an idiot, who doesn't know how to write a proper sentence and for wasting peoples time earlier, I guess i don't have to feel sorry for you, for being misguided by M$...you are A plain fool. Living in your own world...well good luck and hope you grow up someday and I realy mean that too. Enjoy your flop box360. Unregistered - voice of reason 10.11.2005 23:01 Make up your own comment you dumbass, you mindless fanboy~ Oh well you can really say anything because ps3 doesn't even exist yet. So go back to your hole and wait till spring... Unregistered - new york gangster 10.11.2005 23:05 THE ONLY CAPS UR BUSTING IS UR MOMMY ASS FAGGOT PS3 RULEZ. JUST FACE IT U DEAD BEAT CHICKEN HEAD.. GO BEAT UR MEAT WHILE PLAYING HALO AND SUCK ON UR MOMMY TITS FAGGOT ASS JERK Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 23:07 Some developers are making games for PS3 and some for X360, only a few are exclusive. What makes you think X360 games, will be so much more next-gen than PS3? I agree that processor wise Sony is more powerful, but its up to the developers for X360, to make great games not M$. I think Sony got you fan-boys spoiled by their hype, hiding power macs under tables at E3, equipped with 2x more graphical power, than what X360 is capable of. That's why I don't like Ms tactics, they brainwash their customers into thinking, its more powerfull than it realy is, with hidden smoke and mirrors under tables. I'm not a PS3 fan-boy, I just like to play games. You have to agree M$ didn't show us anything real, so you M$ fans just wait until you guys have some real game-play. I can't deny 360 is here and most games look like trash. We don't have long to wait until we can play X360, to judge if its worth calling nextgen. Unregistered - NEW YORK GANASTER 10.11.2005 23:11 P L A Y S T A T I O N 3 - Sony announced they will host a PlayStation 3 entertainment festival named Akihabara Enta Matsuri in Tokyo, Japan between October 22 - 30, it seems Sony will be showcasing all the new PlayStation 3 software and hardware, it is uncertain whether the software will be playable or in video form only http://www.the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 23:19 To # 250 Dont take it so seriously doode: Some developers are making games for PS3 and some for X360, only a few are exclusive. What makes you think X360 games, will be so much more next-gen than PS3? I agree that processor wise Sony is more powerful, but its up to the developers for X360, to make great games not M$. I think M$ got you fan-boys spoiled by their hype, hiding power macs under tables at E3, equipped with 2x more graphical power, than what X360 is capable of. That's why I don't like Ms tactics, they brainwash their customers into thinking, its more powerfull than it realy is, with hidden smoke and mirrors under tables. I'm not a PS3 fan-boy, I just like to play games. You have to agree M$ didn't show us anything real, so you M$ fans just wait until you guys have some real game-play. I can't deny 360 is here and most games look like trash. We don't have long to wait until we can play X360, to judge if its worth calling nextgen. There thats better, I'm only haveing a bit of fun, enjoy whichever console you please, I dont realy care which you like best, I get a console for games, not for hardware. Unregistered - voice of reason 10.11.2005 23:19 What matters is same developers are making games for 360 and ps3...only few are exculsive so what makes you think ps3 games will be so much more nextgen than 360? I agree that proccessor wise sony is more powerful but its up to the developers to make great games not sony...I think sony got you fanboys spoiled by their hype cgi movies...thats why i don't like sony's tactics they mislead their customers. I'm not a xbox fanboy I just like to play games. You have to agree sony didn't show us anything real just yet. So you sony fans just wait and talk later when you guys have any real footage. But for now can't deny 360 is here and some games look awesome. Of course we have to wait until we play it to judge if its worth calling it nextgen. Unregistered - NEW YORK GANASTER 10.11.2005 23:20 Sony's already played jokes about the pre-rendered stuff. Ken showed slides with one of the bullets saying " Pre-Rendered footage?? " and then the MGS4 demo talking about Forget Pre-Rendered Scenes! I still remember the classic moment of Sony's while they were combating the Sega Saturn. The entire world was speculating that the Sony machine would come out at the same price as the Sega Saturn, perhaps alot more considering the power advantage and new technologies under the hood. But then the head of Sony walked out on stage at TGS, sat for a second, the crowd went quiet and he simply said, " Playstation, 299$ US ". The crowd went absolutely nuts and he walked off the stage. I have a weird feeling that Sony will suprise alot of people. Remember that noone thinks the PS3 will even be 400$ this time around. Everyone expects a 500 - 700$ price-tag, and Microsoft idiots expect it to be around the 1000$ mark because of Blu-Ray lol. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 23:23 It was me who posted a link to an article saying PS3 playable FEB 2005, it also mentioned a secret event, this is that event, great find. Unregistered - NEW YORK GANASTER 10.11.2005 23:28 X-NUTS 360 GAMES ARE NOT NEXT GEN DUDE.. ARE U CRAZY HOMEY ARE U JUST RETARTED ,PLEASE DONT LET BILL TOUCH UR LIL PENIS DUDE Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 23:30 Post 259 aimed at post 255, I knew Sony would do something like this, I wonder what goodies they have to show, to put buyers off buying X360? Unregistered - NEW YORK GANASTER 10.11.2005 23:34 LOTS OF GOODIES DUDE Unregistered - Coleco Vision Forever! 10.11.2005 23:44 Screw this... I cant read this crap anymore Im going back to my Coleco Vision.. most of you are to young to know what this is by the quality of your posts. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.11.2005 23:49 I'm old enough to know what a Pong machine is dude and I'm not leaving, so whats your problem? Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.12.2005 00:23 Looks like MR NEW YORK frightened all the X360 supporters away, with that secret event news. They'll be all posting it now at their fave fan sites, trying to come up with some more bull to feed us. New Playstation hardware and software to be shown at the event. New re-designed controller perhaps? new re-designed PS3 maybe? some other new kind of hardware we dont know about? There has defenetly got to be some playable content their, thats for sure, if there isnt, then they are letting M$ win the console wars. Unregistered - guy 10.12.2005 01:01 Check out this video for 99 nights and let me know what you guys think... http://www.gametrailers.com/e3_2k5_xb360.php Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.12.2005 01:04 Wow! the video above rocks!!! WarHawk 10.12.2005 01:08 I have decided to register, rather than go by the name of anonymous coward. I like posting here, maybe more PS1/2/3 fans should join, lets get us a proper little community going here. WarHawk 10.12.2005 01:34 I think the game will grow boring very quickly, it seems very repetitive, a bit like Dynasty Warriors. Dynasty Warriors had you move from one area to another though, this seems like your stuck to one area, just pulling off moves, that doesn't appeal to me I'm afraid, but that's just MHO. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.12.2005 01:39 Yeah i think so too, graphic is awesome!!! but they better have more dynamic and deep gameplay then just hacking lot of bodies. If they add more dimension to the game then it will be a awesome game. Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.12.2005 07:52 PS3 IS GOING TO DELIVER WHAT WE ALWAYS WANTED IN COMPUTER GRAPHICS THATS WHY THERE ARE A LOT OF HATERS. IT CANT DO THAT THE XBOX360 CANT DO THAT SO IT MUST BE A LIE THEN MISS OUT ON IT YOU LOSERS if 2 consoles came out in 2000 one played like the PS2 and the other PS1 which would you buy if 2 consoles came out one with cd-rom format and one with dvd-ROM format which one would you buy xbox fans keep hanging around for every single news because u know u cant wait for the greatest console ever Unregistered - Anonymous Coward 10.12.2005 09:02 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - Billy-Jo Fat Ass 10.12.2005 10:13 http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000100062977/ Let's hope for some hands-on, in game stuff this time! Unregistered - 10.12.2005 10:17 Unregistered - havoc 10.12.2005 10:20 Off topic, hey y'all should get a psp because gta libert stories is coming out and it will have multiplayer online. It's gonna be so fun, I just bought my psp off ebay. Unregistered - STICK 10.12.2005 10:58 I still just own a Playstation 1. Unregistered - PiS3 sux, 360 rox! 10.12.2005 11:31 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - Mathoss 10.12.2005 11:38 Hardware is nothing Software is everything. Right now both system can chew on whatever we can throw at them? So dont expect to see any major difference bettween the two systems until second half of 2007, if one is more powerfull then the other we will see it then. On paper PS3 is more powerfull then XBOX360 but and i say but it is more how you use what you've got that is important, i am not sure my grandma in a ferrari would drive faster then me in my toyota!!! One thing that could shake things up is Nintendo's desire to change the way gaming goes. Their remote is a good start i hope they will keep pushing that way.I would love to see more inovative ideas like so and hope they will make some games more attractive to older youth/adult. Bassically nothing is won for all side and only time will tell. For my part I am still questionning myself on wich one to buy, I like the extra power and cell architecture (wich is great if you have a couple of hour to waste reading programmers manual to realy understand it) but price might turn me off if to expensive. Wich buy the way is no reason, cell processor are cheaper to produce cause they are a much simpler processor, samsung came with a technology that brings the cost of production of blu-ray at about the same as DVD.It should cost the same as an XBOX360 to produce so SONY is full of it if they sell it more. WarHawk 10.12.2005 12:07 Cell isnt easier to produce, why do you think INM, Toshiba and Sony, will be mass producing the chips just for PS3 in its first year or so, whereas only IBM are produceing chips for X360? New fabrication units have been especialy built for the Cell provessor, unlike for the X360, which uses off the chelf power mac CPU's, with a production line already in place. Sticking 3 cores together isnt the same as building a chip from the ground up, to be used in multiple devices which are scalable and interconnectable. WarHawk 10.12.2005 12:43 Cell isn't easier to produce, why do you think IBM, Toshiba and Sony, will be mass producing the chips just for PS3 in its first year or so, whereas only IBM are producing chips for X360? New fabrication units have been especially built for the Cell processor, unlike for the X360, which uses off the shelf power mac CPU's, with a production line already in place. Sticking 3 cores together isn't the same as building a chip from the ground up, to be used in multiple devices which are scalable and interconnect-able. I hadn't finished my post, god knows what happened, cos I didn't click the add comment button I simply pressed the back button to read what other lame excuses you are coming out with, Blu-ray is more Expensive to produce also, which is in-fact costing Sony $100 for every blu-ray drive. The media is still expensive too, its new technology are you sure you didn't get your wires crossed with HD-DVD? HD-DVD is cheaper to manufacture, blu-ray isn't. Sony was working on a similar controller in 2004 to revolution controller, which was meant to be used with PS2, but may make an appearance on PS3 instead, I hope not, unless you have the option to use a regular controller and leave the revo'type controller for the games it works best with Unregistered - Mathoss 10.12.2005 12:56 Toshiba and Sony are going to mass produce cell processor not only for PS3 but they intend to used them in different application like video and audio streaming wich cell perform outstandingly. IBM is producing the xenon only for XBOX cause it is only suittable for that. And since they will probably produce more cell then xenon the cost will be reflected as the same. Also do you realise what you just said... sticking 3 core together it is not as simple as that you cannot produce 3 chip and put them on the same dye and expect them to work just like that. you have to redesign the complete core of the processors in order for them to work properly and effectivly (that is why it is called an "Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU"* Please note the POWERPC-BASED (*the name was taken from XBOX web site) base means it is not a PowerPC ). So both need their asembly line redesign for those processor. I will conceed that it may be simpler for IBM but not as simple as you seem to think. And cost wise the is much less componnent in the cell that is why i wrote "simpler processor". Overall even if converting a chip plant to cell might be a little more expensive i think cell production will cost less. Unregistered - PiS3 sux, 360 rox! 10.12.2005 13:01 PiS3 sux, 360 rox! Unregistered - NEW YORK GANASTER 10.12.2005 13:28 SHUT THE HELL UP U CHILD MOLESTER..I CAN TELL U LOVE PS3 ..I KNOW U DO ..LOSER FAGGOT..CORNBALL COUNTRY HICK WarHawk 10.12.2005 13:33 Cell production is more, where do you get your useless information from? Cell IS! being mass produced by IBM,Toshiba and Sony just for PS3, Toshiba is already hard at work doing this, Sony I believe are just about ready to run some test lines in the new factory especialy built for cell production, IBM are also helping out. Sony will take over full production of cell for PS3 after its first year or so of manufacture of the chip, leaving IBM, Toshiba to make their own for their own needs. I read the news, I dont make things up like you, Cell is harder to manufacture, and is not a dimple chip, it has a PPE 7SPE's each with their own 256KB cache, the IBM 3 core solution for X360 is no new inovation, just 3 power PC cores integrated into 1 core, nothing special there and a production line is already in place. Unregistered - Mathoss 10.12.2005 14:00 What are you talking about??? Reading news doesn't mean you understand what you are talking about. Do you really think toshiba got involved in cell only cause they like Sony' blue eyes ??? Cell is a processor that can have much more uses then computer or gaming world and is predicted to be part of a lots of electronics. Therefore the prediction of production of sales are bigger then the Xbox one and if you do have any manufactury knowledge you will know that cost of production is divided by the amount of production. And do you really think that you take 3 processor put some white glue on them and it will work, dammit did you read what i wrote IBM had to change their manufacture to be able to create this processor and sony will have to also but they both put some money in there. And YES cell is much simpler (it is simpler to built 8 simple chip then 3 complex one) go to IBM site and read a little on it... God if you had work a little in the electronic market, know a little chip architecture and read technical documents instead of news you would bassicaly know that stuff. Unregistered - poopmouth 10.12.2005 14:23 damn it people....now, i know this isnt a spelling contest or anything like that....but for you people that are trying to use big words(or sometimes little ones) and are trying sound all smart, AT LEAST spell your damn words correctly. cuz seriously, it just makes it look like you have no idea what you are talking about...its a contradiction....and im not gonna list any names, but you know who you are....and for everyone else just keep speeling lik carp.... WarHawk 10.12.2005 14:28 Dont you think I know they can be used in other products? read what I said, Sony was only starting to build their plant, Toshiba started manufacturing Cell in late 2004 to early 2005 for PS3 launch. Sony didnt have a plant for this chip they are only running test lines now, for f*ck sake, do you think Sony alone can mass produce millions of chips before PS3 when their new plant still isnt fully operational? Toshiba are helping out, so are IBM. Yes they have their own plans for the chip, READ WHAT I AM SAYING THIS TIME BECAUSE I AM NOT REPEATING MYSELF AGAIN! Integrateing 3 powerPC chips on 1 die is much easier than everything being intefrated into Cell, Cell is a brand new chip built from the ground up 3 core power PC is simply 3 cores integrated into 1 with all nessesary connections between the 3, nothing special. I wont be typeing this shlt out again so read what I wrote, yes Toshina have their own plans IBM have theirs, but with out those 2 companies PS3 would't be released next year, Toshiba are manufactureing launch PS3 Cell chips IBM are helping out with production, they have their own plans for the chip in the future TV's servers cell phones and many more, electricals, dont try to make me look like a dumb ass, I know more about this king of thing than you, I've even been through the patent for the chip. Now go away and bother someone else. WarHawk 10.12.2005 14:56 I said in the first post to you "building a chip from the ground up, to be used in multiple devices which are scalable and interconnect-able." Do you know what scalable means? it means it can be scaled down to work with other devices, not just PS3, see you dont read, what is put in front of you. Do you know what "multiple devices" means? jeez read before writeing next time. WarHawk 10.12.2005 15:02 Yea, I admit I may have a few spelling mistakes, but most of them are typos though. Unregistered - Cynical Gamer 10.12.2005 15:13 I for one think that the Playstation Expo in Akihabara is a good thing. Sony have so far dominated the agenda of the next gen by twisting the early perceptions of it towards the technical capabilities of both machines. If they are going to be showing playable code at this event this is the moment of truth that all the single console zealots have been waiting for. If they show no playable code or what they do show turns out to be substandard (equal to or less technically impressive than the E3 Xbox 360 code) then that is a win for Microsoft. If however the early code on show does turn out to have the next gen wow factor that they have promised then that is a win for Sony. Either way it will hopefully bring an end to the continual tech spec flame wars that are blighting this generation of hardware before it even gets off the ground. Hopefully after this event there will be some games to discuss for the PS3 and there will be something more exciting than quick and dirty ports of franchises like Tekken and Gran Turismo to look forward to. For me a lazy line up of tired old franchises will do more to put me off buying at launch than anything. Unregistered - Dontknowwhichwillbebetterbutibetoncell 10.12.2005 15:14 I agree with the comment about 360 fans posting first (at least negative things) it does make them look scared, but if your going to make a point don't end it with something that makes you look stupid. Sony, believe or not, does not give a sh** who buys the PS3. If someone just wants to buy the PS3 and use it as a cutting board they don't care. All they care about is pushing units=$ and lots of it too. Unregistered - ps3vsxbox360ourworldwar 10.12.2005 15:20 Okay now lets say the PS3 is 20 times better graphically(not faster cause i know its 35 times faster) than a PS2, Than since its stated the PS3 is 2 times better than the xbox 360, that would make the 360 some where around ten times better than a PS2. Now i consider 10 fold a good number from one generation to the next. So to say the 360 is not next gen b/c sony has been able to surpass expectations with there tech adv. is not fair Unregistered - Mathoss 10.12.2005 15:39 We seem to be arguing about technicallities and having a different view on the question. Mayby I am not clear enough, but english is not my native language + the typo's. Anyway my point is from what i know of manufacturing and developping products an PS3 will not cost much more to produce than an XBOX360. WarHawk 10.12.2005 16:35 At first production costs will be high, but yes prices will come down over time, PS3 will still be the most expensive to make, with all its new tech, the blu-ray drive costs Sony $100+ that's before anything else goes into the machine. New tech only gets cheaper, the more widespread it gets, PS3 eventually (if it sells more than X360) will turn out cheaper to make, not only that but new revisions which cut cost on PS3 will likely happen just like PS1 and PS2 had new hardware revisions, removing parts or integrating chips. Unregistered - theonenonly 10.12.2005 16:56 Sony, just let the system and the games speak for themselves. Quite feeding us dry statments like its 2 times more powerfull than xbox360 with no eveidence or proof to support it. Xbox360's games are selling it to me. PGR3, PGZ, Halo 3, and Gears of War have me sold. Ive seen gamplay of all (except halo 3) and they look great and 2 of them are launch titles and launch titles are all ways the least impressive games for a system in general. I will wait on PS3 to show me something to support these claims but right now Sony has not shown me anything besides a flashy cinamatic of MGS4 which was realtime but not representing gameplay. I am confident in both systems but i like some evidence to support the hype. Unregistered - Haha 10.13.2005 07:09 Why do Xbox 360 keep posting stuff @ PS3Today.com ? shouldn't you guys go to like teamxbox.com ? Unregistered - BILL GATES DAD 10.14.2005 11:31 damn thats a big blow to xbox watching the mtv launch and E3 all they could chat about was LIVE and online market place. You got real time games but they were crap PAUL CERULA 10.15.2005 01:56 THE RESPONSE FROM SONY SHEEP IS AMAZING. SONY KEEPS THEIR CUSTOMERS THROUGH HIGH EXPECTATIONS, VAGUE INFORMATION, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE GREAT PART OF NAIVE VIDEO GAME CONSUMERS. Unregistered - dragn avengr 10.15.2005 07:14 Nintendo Revolution to go on sale for $99?Oct 10, 2005 @ 4:08 am · Filed under Nintendo Revolution Lately, there’s been a fair amount of speculation on all things Revolution-related, such as whether these leaked technical specifications are the real deal. Next up seems to be the Revolution’s price: will it really be as low as $99? Recent rumors surfacing on the internet seem to suggest that this is quite possible. The argument in favor of this price point is that the Revolution will be the least powerful of the three consoles, and will require game developers to significantly modify games in order to achieve cross-platform playability due to the Revolution’s unique controller and reduced power. However, since Nintendo is largely reliant on exclusive titles, their choice to go for “lightweight” hardware may work to their advantage by making the console easier to develop for. But could it sell for $99? Examining recent comments made by Nintendo president Saturo Iwata seems to indicate that this is possible. In an interview with television network G4, Iwata conceded that Nintendo’s next generation console would be less powerful, saying, “If you are just going to compare the spec sheets and spec numbers, Revolution may not have an equal or higher number as the PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360.” He went on to say that he wished to expand the gaming population with the launch of the Revolution, attracting non-gamers to the world of gaming by way of its intuitive new controller, and, it would seem, a lower price tag. Iwata stated that “Revolution’s price must be affordable for non-gamers” and indicated that even gamers who bought the PS3 and Xbox 360 would likely purchase the Revolution - a feat not likely to be achievable unless the Revolution is priced significantly lower than Microsoft and Sony’s next-generation offerings. Iwata, however, stopped short of giving a price point for the Revolution in his interview, leaving gamers and Nintendo fans to speculate on the possibility of a significantly cheaper next-generation console. man if this really going to happen,..... i am going to buy Revolution... sooo kick a$ cheap. Oh wait oh cos...i am going to buy PS3....n fuk 360. PAUL CERULA 10.15.2005 14:08 THE RESPONSE FROM SONY SHEEP IS AMAZING. SONY KEEPS THEIR CUSTOMERS THROUGH HIGH EXPECTATIONS, VAGUE INFORMATION, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE GREAT PART OF NAIVE VIDEO GAME CONSUMERS. Unregistered - wotter 10.15.2005 15:48 SPARTAN FOR THE LAST TIME, LEAVE THIS FORUM AND POST ON TEAMXOBX LIKE YOU ALWAYS DO TODDLER Unregistered - dragn avengr 10.16.2005 06:02 hey F@G get the hell out from this website. stop telling sh!t, about ps3. N00BHEAD. Unregistered - ps3,true next gen gaming 10.16.2005 11:31 All those xbox fanfuks and ps3 haters, STOP SAYING CRAPS ABOUT PS3 b!tchies. YOU'VE NOT EVEN EXPERIENCED PLAYING A PS3 AND YOU'RE SPOUTING SENSELESS AND FALSE SH!TS?? WHAT THE FUK IS THAT? IT'S OBVIOUS THAT ALL THE witty COMMENTS YOU MADE ARE SH!TS. Unregistered - pshizle 360 10.16.2005 15:49 PS3 IS ALL NO REALTIME+HYPE=SH1T DVD=HDDVD>BLUEGAY XBOX360 ATIGRAPHIX CHIP>PS3 NUFF SAID LOSERS GO GET A 360 AND BE HAPPY YOU GOT TO LOVE AN AMERICAN CONSOLE =) Unregistered - Ultimate PS3 Fan 10.16.2005 22:11 x box 360 SUCKS! S-U-C-K-S! If your going to say something bad about Sony or the PS3 then type it at an x box forums! You x box fans and PS3 haters r just WORRIED! You you PS3 haters and x box fans are racist and have no life! Go stress yourselves on x box online playing halo 2 swaring at eachother. What's the point of playing with others if u all are prejudist against eachother.This forum are ONLY for Playstation fans. Playstation 3 will be #1 too easily again! Just like PS2 and it's games! And now that PS3 is gonna have all the power speed and the best games!, It will RULE for ANOTHER 6 years! PAUL CERULA 10.16.2005 23:13 QUIT WHINING PS3 SHEEP AND LET IT BE xxxxxx 10.31.2005 18:57 I know I've said a million and one times the 360 is superior to the PS3, but recently I've done some studying on the 2 systems and it seems that the PS3 is better than the 360. Besides being technically superior in almost every way the PS3 also has a far larger customer base than does the 360 and only a moron would argue that. Also, if you realy take a good look at 360 game and Xbox games, you'll see that the 360 is not really nexgen, but instead an Xbox 1.5 of sorts. As of this weekend I have gotten a refund on my 360 preorder and am patiently waiting for PS3 preorders to start. I'm strongly advising you, the Xbox 360 is not what you think it will be. Cancel your orders if possible. xxxxxx 10.31.2005 18:57 I know I've said a million and one times the 360 is superior to the PS3, but recently I've done some studying on the 2 systems and it seems that the PS3 is better than the 360. Besides being technically superior in almost every way the PS3 also has a far larger customer base than does the 360 and only a moron would argue that. Also, if you realy take a good look at 360 game and Xbox games, you'll see that the 360 is not really nexgen, but instead an Xbox 1.5 of sorts. As of this weekend I have gotten a refund on my 360 preorder and am patiently waiting for PS3 preorders to start. I'm strongly advising you, the Xbox 360 is not what you think it will be. Cancel your orders if possible. PAUL CERULA 10.31.2005 21:46 307 and 308 isn't the real spartan, just a forum pu$y with a similar name to mine Unregistered - TK 11.01.2005 04:21 Things that stand out in the next gen: Two HDTV outputs (PS3) Eyetoy (PS3, think XBox is copying this) BlueRay (PS3) Revo Controller (Nin Revo) Wireless Controllers (all) Wireless networking (all) It clearly shows which companies are innovating - Sony and Nintendo MS just copied and is trying "more of the same" - no show stopper Oh - maybe they have one innovation - use the cash stash of Billions and try to lower the price until you can bankrupt the innovators and take the market away from them... and then raise the prices for monopoly style profits when you get there. Then... the innovation (copying what others innovated) stops and prices becomes more and more with EULA that require pay-per-play etc. I think there is another force that will affect this... OpenOffice, Linux and MySQL. Why? Because they are low cost or free, and they strike at the heart of where MS gets their cash stash to afford 2 Billion US$ losses on a console generation without breaking a sweat in their bid to oust the current market leaders. If these outside forces start eating into MS profits, then expect BillG to yank the loss making XBox. Dont even expect them to think about making a profit this generation - they are just trying to kill the competition as loss leader for monopoly style profits when they have the road open. Unregistered - TK 11.01.2005 04:24 For me the must haves (BlueRay, Nin Controller, kick-ass performance, media convergance) means that I will have to get two consoles. PS3 for BluRay and some MGS4 etc, and Revolution for that great innovative controller. 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